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Old 06-22-2009, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Ottawa, Canada
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There is obviously no way I could know this, but did people in the US and Canada always feel so powerless when it comes to politics??

the Boston tea party proved that the average man wasn't going to take anyones s*** politically, with no "taxation without representation". they stood up when normal talks and negotiation would not work. When a large abuse, and their rights, rights as Englishmen, was infringed upon.

Now a days we have massive examples of abuse from government officials and no one it seems can hold them accountable. they say they will do something, and they do the exact opposite. They constantly abuse their powers are no longer servants to the people, but people who will say anything to get elected and then once in power is accountable to no one.

How can we win if we only have 2 options?? the A**h*** on the left, or the A**H**** on the right. different puppet, same master.

maybe just the system isn't effective, thats how I feel it is here anyways.. what do you all think?? remember this should transcend left and right, we are talking about empowering the people, so they can govern themselves, just like they did in all the great democracies and in times that we can only look back and say, "those were heroic people who did great things, they looked beyond their own selfish needs and wants to create something greater then themselves."
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:08 PM
 
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Well, it's a democracy. If the majority of voters are too lazy to research their options beyond the major party candidates, they'll get the government they deserve.
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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I believe the OP has made some validate points, particularly the ones about both parties. I think both dems and Repubs are really one in the same. Both have the same agenda and the same goal; endgame and complete control. Are Americans going to resist a Totalitarian Fascist regime or a Totalitarian Communist (or Socialist) regime? The next question is will the people succeed?
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:19 PM
 
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No, it's a republic. Democracy means everyone gets to vote on everything. For instance, if it was a democracy, we, the populace, would get to vote on when and how much of a raise to give to our elected officials. As it is now, Congress just votes on it themselves. And we know how that will end up.

But the point is, why should the people who actually care, be held hostage by the ignorant masses' inability or lack of desire to get involved? Their inaction is hurting everyone (even those who don't realize it).
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:22 PM
 
Location: here.
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Well, it's a democracy.
tell that to Al gore, if we had a democracy he would have been a president....now is just known as the guy who invented the internet and won a nobel peace prize
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:23 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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I try my best to vote out the incumbents who don't do their job with every single election I vote.

I vote in every single election municipal state fed... doesn't matter to me how minor the election I always vote and have never missed a single vote as long as I've been old enough to vote!

People become complacent and are not well informed when they go to the ballot box.

There should be an unbiased class in high school across the nation about politics in order to dissect individual politicians every iota and issue in order to make ready a better group of voters in the future in the USA and Canada.

Too many partisan teachers with an agenda spewing garbage and clouding the minds of our youth and the vicious cycle continues.

Politicians are there for the PEOPLE - PERIOD!

Not their special interests, not the lobbyists not their slush funds! It makes me so sick to see it all go down the tubes!
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Old 06-22-2009, 10:32 PM
 
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That powerlessness is a lie. It's born out of the refusal of the individual to accept and use the power it already has. By allowing others to make decisions for you, by allowing yourself to be distracted with things that are of no importance, by believing in any religion that claims that a "god" is in charge AND is conveniently out of reach, the individual sets itself up for the situation we all appear to share right now.

Unfortunately, most are of the opinion that with power comes force, suffering from the "freedom isn't free" kind of thinking that demands that any assertion of power must involve a struggle. That too is a lie. The power is ALREADY in our hands and we are not allowing ourselves to use it.

Edgar Cayce wrote that the "mind is the builder". More recent (channeled) writings have stated bluntly that "Your every thought gives birth to worlds." IF our thoughts are the source of our power, THEN why not pay attention to those thoughts? Are your thoughts actually yours or are they implanted there by an overload of misinformation, deliberately designed electromagnetic confusion, and/or chemically induced stupidity? Those that run the world know that thought manufactures reality and that if you can control thought, you can control reality. You can get others to create a reality that benefits you without any regard for those others.

Stop. Listen. If what you're thinking doesn't "feel" right, doesn't seem to be the right thing to think, then replace the thought with something of value. Remove yourself from any source that you intuit doesn't have your best interest at heart.

IF the world is created by thought AND IF a sense of powerlessness is created by such thoughts, THEN change the reality by changing your mind. NOTHING can stop thoughts and feelings. IF this fact is accepted and one accepts the awesome responsibility that it suggests, there will be no need to resort to the methods used in history to effect change. No need for weapons or a use of force. No need for bloodshed.

You want your power back? Look within because that's where it's been hiding.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:03 PM
 
Location: toronto, Canada
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This would seem an appropriate time to reread Lysander Spooner's No treason. Which should be mandatory reading in every high school in order to graduate.

You think you hate the way the country has been run since, let's go back to let's say the creation of the Fed, that feeling ain't nothing after you've read this masterpiece'.
NoTreason (http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm - broken link)

"The principle that the majority have a right to rule the minority, practically resolves all government into a mere contest between two bodies of men, as to which of them shall be masters, and which of them slaves; a contest, that --- however bloody --- can, in the nature of things, never be finally closed, so long as man refuses to be a slave".
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:33 PM
 
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I personal feel that it is time that the people take back what is theirs. I am so tired of all these laws that only help the government and their interests. The #1 industry to be in is pharmaceuticals...the second is corrections, thats right...prisons.

What I find funny is that things that we where doing 70 years ago and were legal are now illegal and we have no explanation why.

Next they will be telling us what to wear and when to poop.

I feel a revolution coming...if you havent noticed we have been in a constant state of civil war that the two main political parties are conducting...we are their pawns.

Remember a civil was doesnt have to be guns and blood. Think about it...

Issues of the following are their ammo:

gay rights
Abortion
Marijuana
Religion
Education
Increased ciminal penalties for small misdimenors
controlling air waves
welfare
Taxes

They are trying to split the two sides up so that we look stupid.

They give us two sides of a three sided issue and think we wont figure it out.
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Old 06-22-2009, 11:46 PM
 
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I personal feel that it is time that the people take back what is theirs. I am so tired of all these laws that only help the government and their interests. The #1 industry to be in is pharmaceuticals...the second is corrections, thats right...prisons.

What I find funny is that things that we where doing 70 years ago and were legal are now illegal and we have no explanation why.

Next they will be telling us what to wear and when to poop.

I feel a revolution coming...if you havent noticed we have been in a constant state of civil war that the two main political parties are conducting...we are their pawns.

Remember a civil was doesnt have to be guns and blood. Think about it...

Issues of the following are their ammo:

gay rights
Abortion
Marijuana
Religion
Education
Increased ciminal penalties for small misdimenors
controlling air waves
welfare
Taxes

They are trying to split the two sides up so that we look stupid.

They give us two sides of a three sided issue and think we wont figure it out.
Are you suggesting some sort of deliberate conspiracy?
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