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Old 06-24-2009, 02:42 PM
 
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Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu View Post
Ya, keep fighting the proverbial man, seems to have steller consequences for ya. I on the other hand, am the man.

You can tell when someone is out of anything intelligent to say, they start with the stupid responses like name calling.

You have to face it, some people can't make it on their own so they need the government and unions to plow their way for them. Then they get upset when others make it using their own skills and think they have done it unfairly or they are doing something illegal to do it. They don't have a marketable skill and expect the government or a union to take what you have earned by force to spread it around.

Face it, you're going to see this a lot in your lifetime.
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Old 06-24-2009, 03:06 PM
 
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Want to see why teacher's unions became necessary?

RULES FOR [FEMALE] TEACHERS 1915:

RULES FOR [FEMALE] TEACHERS 1915

1. You will NOT marry during the term of your contract.

2. You are NOT to keep company with men.

3. You MUST be home between the hours of 8pm and 6am
unless attending a school function.

4. You MAY NOT loiter downtown in icecream stores.

5. You MAY NOT travel beyond the city limits
without the permission of the chairman of the board.

6. You MAY NOT ride in a carriage or automobile with any man
unless he is your father or your brother.

7. You MAY NOT smoke cigarettes.

8. You MAY NOT dress in bright colours.

9. You may UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES dye your hair.

10. You must wear AT LEAST two petticoats.

11. Your dresses must NOT be any shorter
than two inches above the ankle.

12. To keep the school room clean you must:
- sweep the floor at least once a day
- scrub the floor with hot soapy water at least once a week
- clean the blackboard at least once a day
- start the fire at 7am so that the room will be warm by 8am.
I suspect those rules probably reflect the generally accepted rules of decorum for young, unmarried women whether teachers or not of that era.
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Old 06-24-2009, 03:12 PM
 
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Lookig at the school system the teachers unions have worked to destroy the american education system and they fight every program to impove it. Not many people really believe that modern unions are anyhting but specail interest groups focused on themselfs now days. Which is why they are dying.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:41 PM
 
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Lookig at the school system the teachers unions have worked to destroy the american education system and they fight every program to impove it. Not many people really believe that modern unions are anyhting but specail interest groups focused on themselfs now days. Which is why they are dying.
Yuppers! They ARE special interest groups!

Just like the tobacco lobbyists, the drug lobbyists, all other lobbyists (and there are thousands), Boards of Directors, bankers, cops, doctors, the United States, PTA,,....all special interests groups
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Old 06-24-2009, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Unions are dying out - and are certainly not needed today.
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Old 06-24-2009, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Do you realize people died for the basic workers' rights you take for granted today?
True, but we do not need unions to prevent working conditions like 1915.

And i can find other stories that say just the opposite, from a member of the teacher's union:

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LA Times-June 12, 2008

"I think UTLA has a necessary role to play in our schools. However, I also think that it is partly responsible for the poor quality of education endured by many of LAUSD’s 694,000-plus pupils. It’s a problem for schools nationwide: Because of the union’s strength, it is almost impossible to fire teachers for incompetence. LAUSD teachers are paid primarily according to the number of years they have been with the district, and veteran teachers at some schools are free to belittle and ignore their students without repercussions. Many veteran teachers are wonderful, of course, but the union sometimes acts as an enabler for the exceptions."

The teachers union and students | The Homeroom | Los Angeles Times (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thehomeroom/2008/06/a-teacher.html - broken link)
Emphasis mine
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Old 06-24-2009, 11:16 PM
 
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Proven fact- 45% of Public School teachers kids attend private school. Even Obama's do.
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Old 06-24-2009, 11:31 PM
 
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BTW, those gubmint school AP classes are a joke.
Ya know, they offer AP classes at private schools too. As I said earlier, students come to my gubmint school from our local parochial school because they don't offer the same variety of courses.

Tell the hundreds of students over the years who've earned AP credit in the class that I taught in a public high school that their class was a joke (when some of them earned credit at Harvard, Dartmouth, Stanford and Cornell).
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Old 06-25-2009, 05:36 AM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Unions are dying out - and are certainly not needed today.
I agree, unions are not needed today. In fact, unions are behind some of our current problems. However, Obama loves unions, and is in the process of reviving them. It's one of his tools for leveling the playing field to redress past wrongs.

redress: to avenge, compensate, right, heal
Level the playing field: synonym: "redistribute the wealth"

That's what Obama is all about, that and control and power.
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Old 06-25-2009, 07:09 AM
 
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Unions work, so their members don't have to.
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