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Old 06-23-2009, 09:14 PM
 
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The fact that private schools will fire a poor performing teacher because they are a business that will fail if its teachers don't deliver .
Lol, they'll fire a teacher who's complained about just about as quickly as a complained-about public school teacher. A meeting among the teacher, the parent(s), and the principal or another mediator is certainly possible in both settings, and children can certainly transfer to another class.

Either way the secret is parental involvement in their children's education, beginning with good communication btw parent and child.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Pa
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If a CEO uses drugs and DRIVES he endangers children, if he does drugs and is a parent he endangers children. If a doctor uses drugs and treats/operates on children he endangers them...and on and on....


And unions do NOT protect drug users....not any more than the CEO who protects his coke-snortin' buddies on the board. Or the cops who have that "wall" thing going....or the doctors who close ranks to protect their own. Unions have nothing to gain by protecting drug users.....
?? Really? Well they have no problem protecting the tenure and benefits of any teacher no matter what they were fired for.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:15 PM
 
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And if thats the case they should not be allowed to receive public money for pay or be allowed to influence our children. But the actual point is simple. The union would do all that it can to shield such people from being held accountable. That is whats wrong with how (some) unions operate. Too often they protect the bad guy.
And without unions the "good guys' have NO protection.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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And without unions the "good guys' have NO protection.
If they don't have socialist bosses, they are protected by their merit.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Lol, they'll fire a teacher who's complained about just about as quickly as a complained-about public school teacher. A meeting among the teacher, the parent(s), and the principal or another mediator is certainly possible in both settings, and children can certainly transfer to another class.

Either way the secret is parental involvement in their children's education, beginning with good communication btw parent and child.
I agree with you in regards to parental envolvment.
As to the other. Like any business they sell a product. To be viable it must be of a better quality than one we can get for free. Higher standards and higher expectations prevail.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:20 PM
 
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?? Really? Well they have no problem protecting the tenure and benefits of any teacher no matter what they were fired for.
are you just mad about unions?

Universities are RIFE WITH UNION INFILTRATION! Will you forbid your child to attend college?

Or, seriously...is it just that you dont want to pay local school taxes?
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:22 PM
 
Location: Pa
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And without unions the "good guys' have NO protection.
I work for P&G. I work in the flagship plant. NO Union where I work and yet we retire quite well off. We have powerful benefits. NO UNION dues.
As some have mentioned laws and merit trump a union rep everytime.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:23 PM
 
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I agree with you in regards to parental envolvment.
As to the other. Like any business they sell a product. To be viable it must be of a better quality than one we can get for free. Higher standards and higher expectations prevail.
No, just as many variables go into judgment of a teacher in a private school as in a public school -- sometimes more so; a teacher can be a star and a draw -- kind of a celebrity....if a school public or private doesnt want to fire a teacher they wont, just believe it because it's true.
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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And unions do NOT protect drug users.... Unions have nothing to gain by protecting drug users.....
Historically, Unions have blocked attempts to institute random drug testing of employees.
I'd call that protection.

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One teachers union, The American Federation of Teachers-West Virginia, this morning filed a lawsuit in Kanawha Circuit Court calling on the courts to end the board's plan to begin random employee testing in January.
Legal Battle Over Teacher Drug Testing Starts Today (http://www.mpp.org/states/west-virginia/news/legal-battle-over-teacher.html - broken link)
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Old 06-23-2009, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Pa
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are you just mad about unions?

Universities are RIFE WITH UNION INFILTRATION! Will you forbid your child to attend college?

Or, seriously...is it just that you dont want to pay local school taxes?
NO issues with paying taxes. I do have an issue with poor accountability. Public schools enjoy poor accountability.. Thats my issue with public schools. As for the university, no I want my child to attend but I am selective about which one I would pay for.
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