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Old 06-24-2009, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Great...finally a admin. thats not in the bed with oil companies...Vamos Obama!
Trouble is that the money for this was set aside during the Bush admin ..
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Old 06-24-2009, 02:45 PM
 
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If the demand for electrical vehicles was there, the government wouldn't need to "loan" money to 3 seperate automakers.

You can't create demand simply by throwing money at it.

Waste.
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Old 06-24-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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I love this piece of news, had the same thoughts for quite some time; have been following the renewable energy biz a while now. Electric Vehicles (EVs) are going to be a real player in our future. Tesla has been making a superb roadster for a while; though pricey, its a head snapping sportscar and they've been working on a more affordable EV for a larger market.



My thoughts too. Ironically, Exxon is one firm with battery technology it has bought / developed that is being used in some newer EVs. We'll find a way to deal with the environmental impacts of battery production, but to deny EVs to a world that needs them by raising concerns about the waste stream is hypocritical considering the horrific wastes of other industries, not to mention the oil / coal industries themselves. People should look at the moonscape that now exists in large parts of southern WV after coal mining firms have scraped away the mountain tops to get the coal in an easy way, with all the poisoned streams and ruined lives left in the industry's wake.



Coal will slowly lose it's grip, on congress and on utilities, it's just too dirty. This year there are 2.4GW of utility-grade solar power planned, though the coal industry is fighting them as much it can to maintain their hegemony.


That's been one of my pet ideas for a while, too, one of those "marriage of convenience" deals. We have idle plants which could be converted to EV assembly, we just have to work the contractual / legal arrangements to make it happen.
I would like to emphasize VERY SLOWLY in regards to your statement regarding coal losing its grip. Obama just gave the green light for $1B to be appropriated to a clean coal plant that will store emissions underground. It was a Bush proposal and Obama revived it. I would say VERY SLOWLY on the coal going away thing.
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Old 06-24-2009, 03:45 PM
 
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it is another pile of money down the rathole. tesla was in trouble before, for many reasons, not the least of which being the high price of their vehicles. Electric Car Startup Tesla Motors Faces Financial Trouble & High Hurdles | 80beats | Discover Magazine
it looks like they are downsizing to their 80,000 dollar car, (from their 120,000 dollar car) which should really work out well for the average in debt american facing a possible job loss.

maybe obama will throw some money at elon musk's mars oasis project next.....
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Old 06-24-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: CLT native
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it is another pile of money down the rathole. tesla was in trouble before, for many reasons, not the least of which being the high price of their vehicles. Electric Car Startup Tesla Motors Faces Financial Trouble & High Hurdles | 80beats | Discover Magazine
it looks like they are downsizing to their 80,000 dollar car, (from their 120,000 dollar car) which should really work out well for the average in debt american facing a possible job loss.

maybe obama will throw some money at elon musk's mars oasis project next.....
That article is from 10.2008
The target price of the coming sedan in the next few years could be under $45K.
One huge hurdle is reducing the price of the battery packs.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:31 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Why not to GM? We already own it.
Yes. My question exactly.
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:33 PM
 
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That article is from 10.2008
The target price of the coming sedan in the next few years could be under $45K.
One huge hurdle is reducing the price of the battery packs.
a more current headline then:

Monday June 22, 08:25 PM
UPDATE 1-Tesla slashes production costs, eyes July profit
LOS ANGELES, June 22 (Reuters) - Electric car start-up Tesla Motors Inc has slashed production costs for its flagship Roadster sports car by 43 percent to about $80,000 per vehicle as of June, its chief executive said on Monday.

the battery cells are manufactured in japan, i wonder how hight fuel prices will have to go before we quit shipping parts across the globe during manufacturing. add to that, tesla uses lithium ion batteries and here is an interesting comment from business week:

Lithium ion batteries are known to explode and ignite in high temperatures. Cars get pretty hot. In 2006 Sony recalled 10 million Li-ion batteries because they were shorting and overheating severely and were potential explosion hazards! Again, that was in a laptop, imagine the application in a car. There have been numerous recalls in the last few years because of severe overheating and explosion hazards by cell phon mfgs. As to your assertion about using renewable energy powerplants to charge these batteries: Look at the time schedule being proposed - 1 million electric cars by 2012 - when are we building these theoretical powerplants that haven't even been designed yet?
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:09 PM
 
Location: mancos
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elec cars are a joke we could never build enough coal plant to ever hope to charge all those batteries. elec is not clean it is the dirtiest to produce.now natural gas is our cleanest fuel why not explore that . easy cause we hate Chenny and Hahiburton.how dare they make money
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