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Old 06-25-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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Interesting perspective and i'm glad you contributed to this discussion. From what you know thus far, will government insurance for those with pre-existing conditions be the same cost as anyone else? There are thousands, if not millions, of Americans that are in your same position. While unfortunate, it seems that it is this very "human ill" that will overburden the system. Like everyone else, I would love for everyone to have health insurance, but it seems that we as a country have to draw the line somewhere. It has been stated time and again that death is cheaper. Where do we draw the line, or do we continue to subsidize every ailment known to man in the name of providing health care for everyone, at the expense of everyone?
Yes, we continue to subsidize every ailment known to man in the name of providing health care for everyone, at the expense of everyone. That's what health care is. Better than subsidizing insurance companies. It works out just fine in many countries.
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Old 06-25-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Interesting perspective and i'm glad you contributed to this discussion. From what you know thus far, will government insurance for those with pre-existing conditions be the same cost as anyone else? There are thousands, if not millions, of Americans that are in your same position. While unfortunate, it seems that it is this very "human ill" that will overburden the system. Like everyone else, I would love for everyone to have health insurance, but it seems that we as a country have to draw the line somewhere. It has been stated time and again that death is cheaper. Where do we draw the line, or do we continue to subsidize every ailment known to man in the name of providing health care for everyone, at the expense of everyone? There are no easy answers, but it seems this revolving door will spin this country into bankruptcy.
Honestly, I don't particuarly know how the government is going to handle pre-existing conditions.

As for where we draw the line, it may sound bad, but I don't personally believe that we should fight to keep people that are 80+ alive.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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Yes, we continue to subsidize every ailment known to man in the name of providing health care for everyone, at the expense of everyone. That's what health care is. Better than subsidizing insurance companies. It works out just fine in many countries.
Perhaps you are correct. But in general there are no two "civilized" countries alike anywhere on this earth. To compare American health reform that is based on a capitalistic market system to those of more socialistic countries is bit of a stretch. I don't think any of us, including our government, quite understands what imposing national healthcare means for this country.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Perhaps you are correct. But there are no two countries alike anywhere on this earth. To compare American health reform that is based on a capitalistic market system to those of more socialistic countries is bit of a stretch. I don't think any of us, including our government, quite understands what imposing national healthcare means for this country.
Which is very true. We don't exactly know how the outcome will be either way. But something must be done, that much is for sure.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:05 PM
 
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Which is very true. We don't exactly know how the outcome will be either way. But something must be done, that much is for sure.
I concur with that.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:06 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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The president along with the congress will never have to worry about this because they already have the best care for life. Plus most of them are wealthy enough to get the best care if needed.

I bet congress won't opt out of their health care plan and join the public option plan that Obama is trying to pass.
Absolutely. If you were to call your reps and ask if they will also choose the public plan, what do YOU think the answer would be? If it isn't good enough for them, it isn't good enough for the rest of us!
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:08 PM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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Again, why do you go to bat for this administration so frequently? You CAN vote fore Obama and actually disagree with some of his policies you know? Do you, by chance, know anything about this HCR that you're so obviously for? You realize that when it passes, you're likely to see your paycheck decrease with increased taxes, correct? You do understand that, as this administrations spends, you will get nickeled and dimed to death in the name of reform, correct?
Are you doing your homework, or are you on the same adolescent rebellious binge that Obama is on?

What? You mean that Obama isn't going to just tax the "rich," as he claims? Say it isn't so, Joe!
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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One way to judge if anything is of quality is to question if your President or Senators would or do use.

Public School. Nope.
HMO, Medicare or the pending doom of UHC. Nope.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Be honest. How about a recommendation? What do you think should be done with those who can't afford healthcare? I think I can accurately guess.
I would rather see them get a tax credit to mitigate premium costs.

I don't like the providers and insurance companies being able to cherry pick their customers. I think if they offer services in a particular state, they should be required to offer service to all citizens of that state - perhaps on a sliding scale of premium fees. Even if you have pre-existing condition, you might pay a higher premium and higher co-pays, but you would be covered.

Tort reform is a biggy - do you realize how much insurance doctors have to carry to protect themselves from frivolous lawsuits?

That's for starters.
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Old 06-25-2009, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Absolutely. If you were to call your reps and ask if they will also choose the public plan, what do YOU think the answer would be? If it isn't good enough for them, it isn't good enough for the rest of us!
Why should he have to, though? The whole point of this public healthcare is to give people access to healthcare when they don't have such access or the healthcare that they do have is inadequate. The people who are satisfied with their healthcare don't have to change plans, and neither should the politicians.
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