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Old 06-25-2009, 11:12 PM
 
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time of peace? since 1776 what was the last significant period of time that we were not in some form of war.
Military history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

strange, before WWII started, we had a peacetime military, much smaller than what it is today.

please next time you quote a source, make sure it is not from a site other than wikipedia.
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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why are you threaten by mass transit...there are alot of taxpayers that rather see their money used for light rail than the war in Iraq.

sure thing, but make sure it is paid for by themselves, no tax payer money used at all.

after all, liberals and econuts seem to think that mass transit is so good and cost effective, then let them make a profit without using taxpayer money at all.

mass transit would go broke without taxpayer money to help them make a profit.
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:17 PM
 
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please next time you quote a source, make sure it is not from a site other than wikipedia.
it doesnt matter...that timeline is correct and all events on it are backed by another source...click the numbers...
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:18 PM
 
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sure thing, but make sure it is paid for by themselves, no tax payer money used at all.

after all, liberals and econuts seem to think that mass transit is so good and cost effective, then let them make a profit without using taxpayer money at all.

mass transit would go broke without taxpayer money to help them make a profit.
they are taxpayers too...like me..i pay a lot of taxes and i want that money to be used for mass transit instead of Iraq and F-22 raptors that even pentagon doesnt want
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Old 06-25-2009, 11:38 PM
 
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they are taxpayers too...like me..i pay a lot of taxes and i want that money to be used for mass transit instead of Iraq and F-22 raptors that even pentagon doesnt want

I also pay alot of taxes, and I dont want my taxes to be used for any goverment welfare program at all to include the welfare program called mass transit.
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Old 06-26-2009, 01:31 AM
 
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as far as size of the military, it should never be larger than 30,000 in a time of peace, hence the need for a peacetime military.
That would make it completely ineffective, one reason the US military is so good is because of training. When new recruits come in this knowledge that the "veterans" have gained is passed on. People that know how to do their job when it needs to be done cannot be replaced overnight, weeks, months or even years.

There's a lot of industry that has left this country and that industry would take years to come back or never return simply because the people that know how to do it no longer exist. It's the same with the military.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:02 AM
 
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I also pay alot of taxes, and I dont want my taxes to be used for any goverment welfare program at all to include the welfare program called mass transit.
You realize that both gasoline and our highway system are highly subsidized by the Fed. And I mean past the small amount of funds collected with our gasoline tax...this does not begin to cover the cost of our highway infrastructure, nor factor in the total cost of the environmental impact burning gasoline. I'm for mass transit.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:32 AM
 
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You realize that both gasoline
Gas doesn't get much subsidy and there is about 30 to 40 cent tax on it varying by state. 2007 subsidies:

Table ES6. Energy Subsidies Not Related to Electricity Production

Natural Gas and Petroleum Liquids - 1.9 Billion - $ 0.03/ per million Btu
Ethanol/Biofuels - 3.2 billion - $5.72/ per million Btu
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:44 AM
 
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Gas doesn't get much subsidy and there is about 30 to 40 cent tax on it varying by state. 2007 subsidies:

Table ES6. Energy Subsidies Not Related to Electricity Production

Natural Gas and Petroleum Liquids - 1.9 Billion - $ 0.03/ per million Btu
Ethanol/Biofuels - 3.2 billion - $5.72/ per million Btu
I mainly mean the "hidden" costs of gasoline production, distribution and environmental impacts. European gas prices are much higher relative to ours mainly because of the aforementioned costs being factored into the price. I did mention the gas tax, I should have specified both federal and state and not said just gas tax alone.
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Old 06-26-2009, 04:43 AM
 
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European gas prices are much higher relative to ours mainly because of the aforementioned costs being factored into the price.
European gas prices are so high because the governments there tax it extensively, in the neighborhood of 50% plus.

if you're taking 30 to 40 cents a gallon, plus the registration fees there is more than enough top adequately fund the highway system.

Looks like they sell roughly 360,000,000 gallons per day of just gasoline, diesel fuel isn't even listed but I'd imagine it is much more than that.


http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pe..._dcu_nus_m.htm

Assuming a 30 cent tax that's $108,000,000 per day or $39,420,000,000 per year and that's just the gas tax. You still have the trucking industry using a huge amount of diesel fuel and you still need to add the registration of vehicles to that. For cars it's not that much but a single axle dump is about $500 to $600 per year here in PA and a larger tractor trailer or tri-axle is probably $1K at the least.

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