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You don't agree that the majority of students come out literate?
Claims in this thread prior would have us believe that the majority of students come out of HS unable to read or do basic math.
Most can't count back change or read you the time on an analog clock!
Not to mention basic English skills are severely lacking. Want proof, go to most any Myspace/Twitter/Facebook page or almost any internet forum (not those forums that are designed for those of higher intelligence, try the Celeb blogs, stuff like that), and see the way the English language and grammar are BUTCHERED!!!!
I am disgusted at what passes for a high school graduate these days. They are getting dumber and dumber and more and more medicated each year.
When my BIL joined the Coast Guard last year, he had to take the ASVAB test, he went in with mostly high school aged kids (him and one other person were over age 20). The average score for those kids? 21. He told me that one kid was there for his 3rd try at testing and he finally broke double digits that test! This kid was a star QB and a had a HS diploma, so YES I do think that the majority of HS grads are barely able to read, or know basic math.
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Well it is black or white our school system is competitive or it isn't no partial credit. By even your measure (which by the way says we are slipping) we are mediocre. Again I ask why are you settling for mediocrity? I don't care about homeschooling one way or another. I am put off by some peoples intolerance of others choices.
In Newtoli's defense, she has stated multiple times that she is not against homeschooling. But you are correct: Why should we as a nation settle for mediocre within our public school system. It's time that we stood up to all those special interest groups that are watering down our education and get back to the basics of teaching our children so we can once again rank high among other countries, especially in math and science.
In Newtoli's defense, she has stated multiple times that she is not against homeschooling. But you are correct: Why should we as a nation settle for mediocre within our public school system. It's time that we stood up to all those special interest groups that are watering down our education and get back to the basics of teaching our children so we can once again rank high among other countries, especially in math and science.
And I don't care one way or another about her attitude on homeschooling. She apparently thinks I am a big homeschooling advocate. I am not. I am for people making whatever choice works for them. I don't get her intransigence with regard to the poor quality of our schools. SOme people feel compelled to defend the indefensible. I for the life of me can't understand it.
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And I don't care one way or another about her attitude on homeschooling. She apparently thinks I am a big homeschooling advocate. I am not. I am for people making whatever choice works for them. I don't get her intransigence with regard to the poor quality of our schools. SOme people feel compelled to defend the indefensible. I for the life of me can't understand it.
Yeah ... Some folks are so blind when it comes to the flaws of the public school system and they take any criticism as if we are bashing the whole system.
Yeah ... Some folks are so blind when it comes to the flaws of the public school system and they take any criticism as if we are bashing the whole system.
Homeschooling parents represent "failure to conform" disease. In the New Socialist America, "failure to conform" is a disgusting condition, and to be abhorred. Think of the children!
Without conditioning in an approved institution of propaganda, the homeschooled children may think, decide, and act outside of the politically correct pattern.
For example, they might actually read and learn about arcane subjects like law and medicine, which are traditionally verboten.
When homeschooled children, who lack years of suffering in mediocrity, are exposed to other talented students, they do not instantly revert to the approved pattern of denigration (i.e., 'nerds', 'geeks', 'bookworms', 'pencil necks') nor do they revere athletes as role models.
Absent careful coddling in group dynamics, the homeschooled may actually recognize the difference between the "lowest common denominator" (stupid) and excellence (adept). And that some professional credentialed teachers are of the former and not the latter.
It is no wonder that society looks with suspicion upon the 'homeschooled', for when family values are superior to peer group allegiance, the New Socialist agenda is threatened.
"New socialist agenda"? THAT is pretty much my problem with SOME home-schoolers; the whole "us" against "them" mindset and an inflated ego. Other than that, I know a lot of homeschoolers who have done and continue to do a wonderful job. Now, if you're talking about "Jesus Camp" type homeschoolers; those rub me the wrong way.
And I don't care one way or another about her attitude on homeschooling. She apparently thinks I am a big homeschooling advocate. I am not. I am for people making whatever choice works for them. I don't get her intransigence with regard to the poor quality of our schools. SOme people feel compelled to defend the indefensible. I for the life of me can't understand it.
When exactly did I say the system was perfect? I have said over and over again that there are flaws with both systems.
I didn't realize this could turn into such a heated topic! I must say, I am impressed at everyone's passion and insight. For the sake of unity, which I think our nation prides ourselves on, I hope we could agree on a few things that I know I feel very strongly about:
-EDUCATION in America is falling apart today. Not just public school, not just homeschool, not even schools, but education!
-This may be the fault of the media, of the families, of the schools, outside influences, or a combination, but it is impossible to place the blame definitely on one institution.
-The education of our future generation is possibly our most valuable of investments.
-If the education system (I mean system of the broadest of senses, to encompass all types of education) is failing, and we depend on it for our future welfare, something must be done for our children!
-Parents should have the right and the freedom to do what they see fit to improve this system in the ways that it relates to their own children, whether that means rewarding the already thousands of incredible teachers out there, opening charter schools, magnet schools, homeschools, raising standards for the local schools, anything!
-Each institution: public schools, private schools, religious schools, home schools, not only should but MUST be open to criticism if we are going to improve the education of our children and ensure the security of our future America.
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I didn't realize this could turn into such a heated topic! I must say, I am impressed at everyone's passion and insight. For the sake of unity, which I think our nation prides ourselves on, I hope we could agree on a few things that I know I feel very strongly about:
-EDUCATION in America is falling apart today. Not just public school, not just homeschool, not even schools, but education!
-This may be the fault of the media, of the families, of the schools, outside influences, or a combination, but it is impossible to place the blame definitely on one institution.
-The education of our future generation is possibly our most valuable of investments.
-If the education system (I mean system of the broadest of senses, to encompass all types of education) is failing, and we depend on it for our future welfare, something must be done for our children!
-Parents should have the right and the freedom to do what they see fit to improve this system in the ways that it relates to their own children, whether that means rewarding the already thousands of incredible teachers out there, opening charter schools, magnet schools, homeschools, raising standards for the local schools, anything!
-Each institution: public schools, private schools, religious schools, home schools, not only should but MUST be open to criticism if we are going to improve the education of our children and ensure the security of our future America.
This kind of response makes me laugh. Even if you don't like WND look at the article. Ireferences specific bills you can look up to see if it is accurate. Nah why would you do that it may cause you to change your opinion, God knows you wouldn't want to be what do they call it??? Oh yeah open minded.
You have less than no clue what my opinion on this issue is.
I will tell you that I'm more than satisfied with the quality of education that my own son received (and continues to receive as a college student).
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Agreed Pooches9.
