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Old 06-30-2009, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Sorry, I should have been clearer. I wasn't referring to you necessarily. The percentage of people satisfied with their HC is contrary to the supposed percentage that the liberal media/obama/dems/libs tells us that want to overhaul the whole system.

Just doesn't make sense.
That's because of the poll questions. You have to see what the question was.

Do you favor healthcare reform ?
Do you favor Obama's proposed healthcare reform ?

You can get different answers to the above. I would say Yes to #1 but No to #2.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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That's because of the poll questions. You have to see what the question was.
In addition, that very timely NYT poll that said 75% wanted UHC - totally flawed poll. Skewed big time to obama voters and those without a job/HC.

The obama media will put their fingers on the scale in order to give him the perceived notion that American's are behind him.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:44 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Read the questions.
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se..._poll_Full.pdf
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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lamexican, I meant that in a general way. Notice how so many people can quote and link polls with drastically different numbers ? And there are so many of them now as well.

To just see the numbers without knowing the questions does not give you the full story.

It's getting ridiculous to where polls become background noise and dismissed. One can see that here on C-D.
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Old 06-30-2009, 10:54 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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lamexican, I meant that in a general way. Notice how so many people can quote and link polls with drastically different numbers ? And there are so many of them now as well.

To just see the numbers without knowing the questions does not give you the full story.

It's getting ridiculous to where polls become background noise and dismissed. One can see that here on C-D.
I understand what you're saying you are 100% correct. I'm sorry if I took away or got in the middle of your guys discussion.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I understand what you're saying you are 100% correct. I'm sorry if I took away or got in the middle of your guys discussion.
No, actually it's good to discuss this. Polls have become too commonplace.
People can find a poll to side with their opinions; that should say alot about polls and what they have become.

Polls are no longer the objective opinions of the American people.

I don't bother clicking on any links for polls..not worth it and if I wanted to dispute it then google will find more than enough poll results to support my opinion.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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The Cato Institute has this analysis of the abject failure that is the MA health insurance / care program. http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp112.pdf

The salient points are:
•Although the state has reduced the number of residents without health insurance, 200,000 people remain uninsured. Moreover, the increase in the number of insured is primarily due to the state's generous subsidies, not the celebrated individual mandate.
•Health care costs continue to rise much faster than the national average. Since 2006, total state health care spending has increased by 28 percent. Insurance premiums have increased by 8–10 percent per year, nearly double the national average.
•New regulations and bureaucracy are limiting consumer choice and adding to health care costs.
•Program costs have skyrocketed. Despite tax increases, the program faces huge deficits. The state is considering caps on insurance premiums, cuts in reimbursements to providers, and even the possibility of a "global budget" on health care spending—with its attendant rationing.
•A shortage of providers, combined with increased demand, is increasing waiting times to see a physician.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:42 AM
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Cato Institute.

lol.
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Old 06-30-2009, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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If doctors did not have to pay so much for their malpractice insurance along with the hospitals heavy insurance payments, perhaps we could all have access to lower cost health care. I am in favor of tort reform, or at least a cap on the amounts one can be awarded. I remember my OB telling me 20 years ago he paid $300,000 a year in insurance. One of our clients who was an anesthesiologist got served papers almost weekly for silly, non injury suits. They named him because he was in the room at the time. Nuts.
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Old 06-30-2009, 01:08 PM
 
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If doctors did not have to pay so much for their malpractice insurance along with the hospitals heavy insurance payments, perhaps we could all have access to lower cost health care. I am in favor of tort reform, or at least a cap on the amounts one can be awarded. I remember my OB telling me 20 years ago he paid $300,000 a year in insurance. One of our clients who was an anesthesiologist got served papers almost weekly for silly, non injury suits. They named him because he was in the room at the time. Nuts.
I agree . This is the type of reform we need, NOT Obamacare.
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