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No the reason you can find articles on both sides of the issue is because no system is perfect. We know what is wrong with the US system, we know what is wrong with government run healthcare. Why would we adopt either system? How about a different system all together?
That's pretty much what Obama is offering us. His plan to give us a government option is essentially a hybrid system. It will be interesting to observe how long people choose to remain in the private system once the government option is in place. When people start seeing the government offering comprehensive coverage with no deductibles for $120 a month or less they will be leaping off their private plans as fast as possible. Which is exactly why the private insurance companies are spending so much money trying to sell Americans on the idea that we should avoid a government option. The insurance executives know they can't compete. They know that their profit driven model will never be as efficient as a government system. Don't kid yourselves, they have done the studies and they understand this market quite well. If they thought that they could be just as efficient and offer equally good options to their customers, insurance companies wouldn't be spending millions on advertising to convince us that government options are bad.
That's pretty much what Obama is offering us. His plan to give us a government option is essentially a hybrid system. It will be interesting to observe how long people choose to remain in the private system once the government option is in place. When people start seeing the government offering comprehensive coverage with no deductibles for $120 a month or less they will be leaping off their private plans as fast as possible. Which is exactly why the private insurance companies are spending so much money trying to sell Americans on the idea that we should avoid a government option. The insurance executives know they can't compete. They know that their profit driven model will never be as efficient as a government system. Don't kid yourselves, they have done the studies and they understand this market quite well. If they thought that they could be just as efficient and offer equally good options to their customers, insurance companies wouldn't be spending millions on advertising to convince us that government options are bad.
He is not giving us a hybrid system. He knows that if a public option is offered the private insurance companies will go out of business. Empolyer sponsered plans will be dumped. Employers will tell their employees to get insurance from the government. Companies will get a windfall.
Tell me one thing the government does better than the private sector when it comes to interfacing with the public?
The private sector is simply better at it.
Why do you trust the government so much?
Plus what he is offering is exactly the same as the UK NHS. I have posted all their problems earlier.
He is not giving us a hybrid system. He knows that if a public option is offered the private insurance companies will go out of business. Empolyer sponsered plans will be dumped. Employers will tell their employees to get insurance from the government. Companies will get a windfall.
Tell me one thing the government does better than the private sector when it comes to interfacing with the public?
Well... based on what you just wrote here, I'd say that government will run a health care system better. If the best argument that your side can make is that people and companies will flock to the government system because insurance companies can't compete, then there is something wrong with insurance companies and we should stop supporting their inefficient business model on the backs of every other business in America!
Insurance companies aren't entitled to exist! If they can't get leaner than a government plan, then they are by definition an example of market failure. They don't get a pass! If they want to stay in business, then they will find a way to compete. If they can't, then they need to go away! Good riddance!
Well... based on what you just wrote here, I'd say that government will run a health care system better. If the best argument that your side can make is that people and companies will flock to the government system because insurance companies can't compete, then there is something wrong with insurance companies and we should stop supporting their inefficient business model on the backs of every other business in America!
Insurance companies aren't entitled to exist! If they can't get leaner than a government plan, then they are by definition an example of market failure. They don't get a pass! If they want to stay in business, then they will find a way to compete. If they can't, then they need to go away! Good riddance!
No No No, have you ever been near a business? They don't have printing presses to print dollars. The US government has unlimited access to greenbacks and can subsidize UHC thus the $1.6 trillion price tag.
Hey if the government system stinks where are you going?
By the way how do you think the subsidy that gets you health care for $120 with no premiums gets paid. Taxes, thats right. So your great deal becomes a pretty crumby deal real fast. You don't get nothin for nothin in this world.
He is not giving us a hybrid system. He knows that if a public option is offered the private insurance companies will go out of business. Empolyer sponsered plans will be dumped. Employers will tell their employees to get insurance from the government. Companies will get a windfall.
Tell me one thing the government does better than the private sector when it comes to interfacing with the public?
The private sector is simply better at it.
Why do you trust the government so much?
Plus what he is offering is exactly the same as the UK NHS. I have posted all their problems earlier.
You have just endorsed a UHC. Why would a UHC Put Private Insurance Companies out of Business if it is no good?
Private Insurance still thrives in Countries with a UHC as there will always be people who want to feel that they have something better than other people...sad really. Do you not realise that once a UHC is in place, the Insurance Companies will have to give real value for money and not just charge anything they want. Why are you fighting so hard for Insurance Company CEO's to get rich while millions in America can't het Health Cover?
That's pretty much what Obama is offering us. His plan to give us a government option is essentially a hybrid system. It will be interesting to observe how long people choose to remain in the private system once the government option is in place. When people start seeing the government offering comprehensive coverage with no deductibles for $120 a month or less they will be leaping off their private plans as fast as possible. Which is exactly why the private insurance companies are spending so much money trying to sell Americans on the idea that we should avoid a government option. The insurance executives know they can't compete. They know that their profit driven model will never be as efficient as a government system. Don't kid yourselves, they have done the studies and they understand this market quite well. If they thought that they could be just as efficient and offer equally good options to their customers, insurance companies wouldn't be spending millions on advertising to convince us that government options are bad.
Think about what your writing.
"It will be interesting to observe how long people choose to remain in the private system once the government option is in place."
The government can offer what ever it likes in order to bankrupt private health care because the government isn't accountable to share holders or the SEC. They can spend money they don't have and write laws that destroy competition. Then, like when Walmart comes to a small town, after the competition is destroyed, there will be no other options.
Your Marxist rant about the inherent flaws of capitalism reveals your complete inability to objectively evaluate the changes that a single payer system would bring.
Would you happen to have a link to one of these studies, or were you just making up "facts" to support your ridiculous assertions as you went along?
You have just endorsed a UHC. Why would a UHC Put Private Insurance Companies out of Business if it is no good?
Private Insurance still thrives in Countries with a UHC as there will always be people who want to feel that they have something better than other people...sad really. Do you not realise that once a UHC is in place, the Insurance Companies will have to give real value for money and not just charge anything they want. Why are you fighting so hard for Insurance Company CEO's to get rich while millions in America can't het Health Cover?
Not exactly my friend look at post 114.
As many faults as insurance companies have I believe they will do a better job than government. I am still waiting for an example where the governement interfaces with the public than private enterprise. Heck I would even settle for as good.
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By the way if UHC is so grand why is Congress exempt? Also why are unions exempt from taxes on healthcare? Mmmm and people wonder why the government isn't trusted.
The government cannot run anything efficiently. Why do so many people think this public plan will work?
Why doesn't the government just make the plan Congress is under open to every American ? Wouldn't that be the simple and quick way to get reform ?
This plan will allow millions more to make use of an already overburdened health system.
Where are the new doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics, etc. to handle these millions of more patients ?
The government cannot run anything efficiently. Why do so many people think this public plan will work?
Why doesn't the government just make the plan Congress is under open to every American ? Wouldn't that be the simple and quick way to get reform ?
This plan will allow millions more to make use of an already overburdened health system. Where are the new doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics, etc. to handle these millions of more patients ?
From other countries. When I was in San Antonio earlier this year I walked into a hospital and met doctors from India, Korea, China, etc.
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Which is exactly why the private insurance companies are spending so much money trying to sell Americans on the idea that we should avoid a government option. The insurance executives know they can't compete. They know that their profit driven model will never be as efficient as a government system. Don't kid yourselves, they have done the studies and they understand this market quite well. If they thought that they could be just as efficient and offer equally good options to their customers, insurance companies wouldn't be spending millions on advertising to convince us that government options are bad. 
If they want to stay in business, then they will find a way to compete. If they can't, then they need to go away! Good riddance! 
