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Old 07-01-2009, 12:21 AM
 
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Is the OP a hoax? As I read on, I say yes. No one could be that naive.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:36 AM
 
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At Rasmussen they found that yesterday Obama was in the hole -2. Their way of comparing is novel in that they take the people who strongly approve and compare that number to those who strongly disapprove and he was in -2 this morning. Now before you go off half-cocked let me tell you that they admit that people who kind of approve added to those who strongly approve still outnumber the same kind of disapproval. However, he is at the lowest point he has been and if some of that has to do with his Crap and tax policy I bet tomorrow he will be lower than -2. I can't wait to see if that happens.
It's all bullsh*t. That's my professional opinion.

When a polling agency has to use exotic techniques like that, it makes it look like they're desperately trying to manipulate the numbers to please a certain audience - namely, the conservatives who don't like Obama.
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Old 07-01-2009, 12:49 AM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Ever since I've been on vacation, I've been waking up waaay too late.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:46 AM
 
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First of all he inherited a problems but has now tripled the debt and has nothing to show for it. Nothing has worked for him at all.
He has shown to be very weak internationally and is doing us no favors domestically with more jobs losses in 6 months then Bush had in the last 2 years total.
If you truly believe he has done well then you are strongly in trouble with your lack of knowledge.
As of today, Obama has been an utter failure in all aspect of what you voters expected him to be.
You need to stop blaming Bush for your problems caused by Obamas mistakes and wasted spending.
How long are you going to blame Bush for Obamas problems?

By the way, more people now dissaprove of the job Obama is doing then approve. Not very good for someone who was suppose to click his fingers and get this done.
Every time he clicks his fingers now something else falls apart, someone looses a job or a home or a business goes under.

Obama has so far been an utter failure and that is being nice about it.
I don't really know why people who disagree with Obama resort to telling lies.

His approval rating is 61% in the latest polls taken this week. 61%.

You perceive him to be weak internationally because you adhere to a domineering patriarchal political structure. You see strength in strutting around and being macho. The liberal (more matriarchal) values see strength in collaboration, in admitting shortcomings, and, in so doing, being able to challenge others to admit their own shortcomings.

Most people I run with (very educated) consider Obama's handling of international relations as nothing short of brilliant.


As far as the debt issue goes, he's taking a play out of Keynesian economics. We'll see if it works. It's worked previous times when conservatism has run amok with too much power and deregulation in much the way Reagan's model worked when liberalism had run amok in the 70s (though it took several years).

So, on the balance, most people think Obama's doing a great job, and the polling data supports that claim. 61%.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:52 AM
 
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It's not my ideology that's failing, it's his polices that are. As for the International Professionals they are the reason that the world is in the shape it is. As for something new your old ideas have been tried all over the world and failed every time
Let me explain it to you educated pros one more time. Socialism and Communism doesn't work. Millions of people have already died to prove that point. If you try common sense instead of ivory tower theories you could see this for yourself. Governments are all corrupt and extremely inefficient when they try to run everything, it doesn't work. People starve and usually have to be controlled for the government to keep power.
Your Idea of elitiist rule; it will fail just like all the other times it was tried, your arrogance will doom it like all the other times.
Btw Appeasement of the muslim extremist won't work. Look up a man named Chamberlin. He was also an educated professional who worked in the international community just like you.
You keep making all these accusations about both me and Obama that are very wrong and, frankly, reveal a lack of understanding of what Obama is actually doing (and what I actually value - don't jump to conclusions).

If Obama ever enacts Socialism or Communism, then your argument is relevant. If you were educated on the issues (as you claim to be), you'd know that Obama is FAR from a Socialist and much FARTHER from a Communist. You've reduced a complex economic model down to some fantasy that Obama is trying to control everything. Socialists actually see Obama as a die-hard capitalist, and what he's doing is shoring up capitalism (just like Bush did). It's nothing like, for example, Chavez in Venezuela who is truly nationalizing everything with the intention of keeping things nationalized. As soon as businesses are on their own, government's stepping out.

Now, regarding your larger point that it's always failed, I'm not an advocate of Socialism but western Europe has been quite successful with Social Democracy (a hybrid), which is essentially a left-of-center model (whereas the U.S. tends right-of-center).

To see where Obama's policies have worked in the past, one need only look to FDR in the United States. Likewise, most of his investments are necessary anyway: switching to renewable energy, building a mass transit infrastructure, rebuilding existing infrastructure, sustaining and industrial base in the U.S....

He's doing well. Just give it time. Soon enough the Democrats will over-extend a good thing and we'll need another Reagan, but we're a few election cycles away from that.
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Old 07-01-2009, 06:55 AM
 
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I don't really know why people who disagree with Obama resort to telling lies.

His approval rating is 61% in the latest polls taken this week. 61%.

You perceive him to be weak internationally because you adhere to a domineering patriarchal political structure. You see strength in strutting around and being macho. The liberal (more matriarchal) values see strength in collaboration, in admitting shortcomings, and, in so doing, being able to challenge others to admit their own shortcomings.

Most people I run with (very educated) consider Obama's handling of international relations as nothing short of brilliant.


As far as the debt issue goes, he's taking a play out of Keynesian economics. We'll see if it works. It's worked previous times when conservatism has run amok with too much power and deregulation in much the way Reagan's model worked when liberalism had run amok in the 70s (though it took several years).

So, on the balance, most people think Obama's doing a great job, and the polling data supports that claim. 61%.
Most folks don't got no book-learnin.

USATODAY.com - Report: Greater percentage of Americans educated
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Which freedoms are we losing due to Obama's policies? I don't notice that I have lost any. I am still making a living, have some savings, although I still owe some on the mortgage, and can go anywhere I can afford to and pretty much speak my mind on this forum or anywhere else.

Just what freedoms have you lost?
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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Are people waking up, and is it too late?

Nope.

In a robust economy, these new policies would be a burden. In a recession, like we are having now, these same new policies will be a disaster.

I'm not looking for any real major drops in Obamas popularity until the time comes that his new policies fully kick in.
I predict that by the end of 2010, Obama's approval ratings will be exactly the opposite of what they are now.
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Old 07-01-2009, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Reality? Is that a brand name? I mean, the brand of crystal ball you're using?
Sarcasm....is that the brand of insult you're using?

I mean the reality of 4 years of promises without positive results; the reality of a government whose spending is more than 50% of GDP that owns the auto industry and the healthcare industry; the reality of a President who will not defend America's interests and stand up to regimes like the one in Iran; the reality of increased taxes on ALL Americans, whether through increases in income and capital gains taxes or via back door taxes like "cap and trade."

Many of the people who voted for Obama did so in a knee jerk and naive hatred of GWB. With no real record to run on, Obama was a mass of promises and inuendo. After two years of his far left administration and 4 years of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and their ilk in charge of Congress, the 2010 election will be an interesting one. My hope is that people have their eyes open and can get past the hype and rhetoric to see what is really going on. Then in 2012, if the Republicans can field a responsible and energetic candidate (and that's a big if), then I think there is an excellent chance for the President to spend more time with his family and persue other interests.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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Is the OP a hoax? As I read on, I say yes. No one could be that naive.
Appears to me that "you" are the one who is very naive here.
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