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Hmmm, would you might pulling those up? I'd really like to believe this, but I'm afraid it's virtually impossible without some ...... proof.
Hmmm, I can't seem to dig any of them up either. I don't recall seeing any threads slamming Obama for anything that came from the lefties on here. Seen quite a few posts here and there defending him in his use of executive power. The begining of this thread had a couple examples of that. Oh, he was just trying to get something done ya know. Couldn't wait on that silly old congress to make up their minds.
Hmmm, I can't seem to dig any of them up either. I don't recall seeing any threads slamming Obama for anything that came from the lefties on here. Seen quite a few posts here and there defending him in his use of executive power. The begining of this thread had a couple examples of that. Oh, he was just trying to get something done ya know. Couldn't wait on that silly old congress to make up their minds.
LOL I was saying the ignorance of right wingers on this board is mindboggling...LOL.... I just said it about 1hr ago...then you come along.
" And that's awkward. Presidential candidate Obama criticized the Bush administration's frequent use of the state secrets privilege, but now his Justice Department continues to invoke it."
" And that's awkward. Presidential candidate Obama criticized the Bush administration's frequent use of the state secrets privilege, but now his Justice Department continues to invoke it."
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Best to read the whole article, and not just stop when you reach a sentence that confirms your bias:
"For plaintiff's attorney Jon Eisenberg, the situation inspires a kind of glee: "What do they do now? Do they oppose it? Do they support it? Was all that campaign rhetoric just rhetoric? Or are they going to follow through? The day of reckoning is upon us," he says.
Actually, the day of reckoning is Sept. 1. That's when the Obama administration's lawyers are due back in front of the judge to explain just where they stand on the legality of Bush's surveillance program."
You are obviously misreading MF - obama IS invoking the privilege and more.
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The Obama Justice Department has adopted a legal stance identical to, if not more aggressive than, the Bush version. It argues that the court-forced disclosure of the surveillance programs would cause "exceptional harm to national security" by exposing intelligence sources and methods. Last Friday the Ninth Circuit denied the latest emergency motion to dismiss, again kicking matters back to Judge Walker.
In court documents filed hours later, Justice argues that the decision to release classified information "is committed to the discretion of the Executive Branch, and is not subject to judicial review. Moreover, the Court does not have independent power . . . to order the Government to grant counsel access to classified information when the Executive Branch has denied them such access." The brief continues that federal judges are "ill-equipped to second-guess the Executive Branch."
But we knew you'd come up with some excuse and creative interpretation.
But late Friday afternoon, the Obama DOJ filed the government's first response to EFF's lawsuit (.pdf), the first of its kind to seek damages against government officials under FISA, the Wiretap Act and other statutes, arising out of Bush's NSA program. But the Obama DOJ demanded dismissal of the entire lawsuit based on (1) its Bush-mimicking claim that the "state secrets" privilege bars any lawsuits against the Bush administration for illegal spying, and (2) a brand new "sovereign immunity" claim of breathtaking scope -- never before advanced even by the Bush administration -- that the Patriot Act bars any lawsuits of any kind for illegal government surveillance unless there is "willful disclosure" of the illegally intercepted communications.
In other words, beyond even the outrageously broad "state secrets" privilege invented by the Bush administration and now embraced fully by the Obama administration, the Obama DOJ has now invented a brand new claim of government immunity, one which literally asserts that the U.S. Government is free to intercept all of your communications (calls, emails and the like) and -- even if what they're doing is blatantly illegal and they know it's illegal -- you are barred from suing them unless they "willfully disclose" to the public what they have learned.
Guess you haven't heard of this either, MF? Toes stuck in your ears as well?
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Best to read the whole article, and not just stop when you reach a sentence that confirms your bias:
"For plaintiff's attorney Jon Eisenberg, the situation inspires a kind of glee: "What do they do now? Do they oppose it? Do they support it? Was all that campaign rhetoric just rhetoric? Or are they going to follow through? The day of reckoning is upon us," he says.
Actually, the day of reckoning is Sept. 1. That's when the Obama administration's lawyers are due back in front of the judge to explain just where they stand on the legality of Bush's surveillance program."
What did i tell you folks, look at post #43 I predicted this. Obama continues Bush's policy and somehow this poster thinks he hasn't. The Obama justice department is doing the exact same thing as the Bush justice department but somehow it is OK because it may change in the future. This is a fascinating pathology!
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