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Old 04-19-2007, 04:54 PM
 
Location: The Bronx
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I question whether a suicide is properly to be regarded as "gun violence."

It seems to me that 'violence' is something that someone does to someone else.
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:00 PM
 
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Oh I can imagine there wouldnt be so much emphisis on owning the gun, just the way things are. Here in AZ, man it is getting scary. Some guy is going around with a gun breaking into homes after parents leave and raping young girls. these poor girls are sound asleep then wham some nutjob on them. My daughter is only 10 and already been to a self defense class, and has some gun training ( as much as you can do at this age) she will have more when she gets older!! We are movingto the rocies next week, now I am more worried about bears!!!! But I think I am covered two guns and a cross-bow!!

PS always wanted to visit Alaska, I hear it is beautiful.
Like I use to tell my mom "I would rather defend myself against a bear of the woods then the bears of the city!!! Love the ROCKIES this is were I will die!! Good Luck with your move!!
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:11 PM
 
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Just remember that Kip Kinkel's (Thurston High, May 21, 1998) father felt the same way.
Mine are now 15 and 18 and they know their guns. We have taught them to never touch them when friends are around. We also, keep them locked up. They have taken classes and been on the range with fish and game and know how to use the safety lock when not firing!!

All it takes is time and knowing most, boys are boys, guns are fun. Let them touch them and teach them what will happen. We enjoy Saturdays in the woods target practicing as a family, OH WATCH OUT!!

Most kids never really get to see that a gun KILLS only target practice if that. All kids that handle a gun should hunt or go hunting with someone to see the damage for themselves and get a real understanding it's not a video game!!
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I question whether a suicide is properly to be regarded as "gun violence."

It seems to me that 'violence' is something that someone does to someone else.
I dont know that I would either. I mean it is a violent way to die, but you are doing it to yourself. I dont know can you be violent with yourself? I mean even if you dont have a gun if you are determined you will find another way.

I dont know what to call it, maybe gun enabled suicide?
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Old 04-19-2007, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Like I use to tell my mom "I would rather defend myself against a bear of the woods then the bears of the city!!! Love the ROCKIES this is were I will die!! Good Luck with your move!!
Yea no doubt, I will take my chances with the mountain bears!!

Yep leaving for the Aspen area, whoooo hooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 04-19-2007, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Just a few miles outside of St. Louis
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Mine are now 15 and 18 and they know their guns. We have taught them to never touch them when friends are around. We also, keep them locked up. They have taken classes and been on the range with fish and game and know how to use the safety lock when not firing!!

All it takes is time and knowing most, boys are boys, guns are fun. Let them touch them and teach them what will happen. We enjoy Saturdays in the woods target practicing as a family, OH WATCH OUT!!

Most kids never really get to see that a gun KILLS only target practice if that. All kids that handle a gun should hunt or go hunting with someone to see the damage for themselves and get a real understanding it's not a video game!!
We taught our children, (25 and 20), the same things about guns, and gun safety, (they also both took a hunter's safety course, as well). We made sure that guns were not some mysterious unknown, and thereby a fascinating taboo. We took them to the gun range from the time they were young. They were never allowed to touch the guns without our supervision, and they saw, up close and personal, just exactly what a gun can do, when we hunted. It caused them to understand the seriousness of using a weapon, and that they can kill. We taught them never to point a gun at anything they were not intending to shoot, (i.e. no showing off, waving a gun around, being foolish with it, etc.). We taught them that although we could have fun target shooting, that we must always treat guns with the utmost respect, including always assuming that a gun is loaded, and treat it accordingly. Even with my oldest grandson, (I haven't done anything, yet, with the other grandkids. They are still a little young), I worked with him on gun safety, using our BB gun, to teach him proper safe handling. He also goes hunting with his father, so he also understands the seriousness of what a gun can do. And, we keep ours locked up in a very secure gun safe, at all times, (except for a pistol, by the bedside at night, put away in the mornings).

I was taught the same way, and I always had great respect for firearms, (and, my parents never even had a gun safe. The guns were simply in the closet, yet it would have never occured to me to mess with any of them, without their permission). I never had the desire to play with a gun, because they weren't a mystery to me. They were part of my everyday life, and I understood what they could do. I grew up in Wyoming, so firearms were a part of almost everyone's life that I knew. It was a "gun culture", as some like to term it, and yet, we didn't have school shootings, or people shooting up the local post office, or an A&W drive-in. I believe it was due to the fact that we all understood guns, and what they could do, and we all were raised with discipline, and to have respect for life, for other people.
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:25 AM
 
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Japan hasn't been attacked by Al Qaeda.



Let's play with these 1994 numbers. Let's say there were only 250 million people in the US in 1994. That means there were roughly 35000 people killed in gun related deaths in 1994. This happens every year How many people died on 9/11? And that happened only once.

Don't use this terrorist argument. It's horrible.
195,000 people die in hospitals each year as a result of errors, malpractice etc. Why isn't anyone making an issue over that?
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I really do not care what the rest of the world thinks of the American Gun Culture just as I do not really care what my neighbors or anybody else thinks about my owning guns or not. If I ever have to go someplace I think carrying a gun will help me protect myself and my friends you can trust that I will be armed.
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:34 AM
 
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I really do not care what the rest of the world thinks of the American Gun Culture just as I do not really care what my neighbors or anybody else thinks about my owning guns or not. If I ever have to go someplace I think carrying a gun will help me protect myself and my friends you can trust that I will be armed.

Like the local meeting of the Socialist Party?
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Old 05-11-2009, 07:40 AM
 
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The right to own and bear guns shall not be infringed upon. The probability of a shop ower or a household having a gun on site prevents a lot of crime. In Brition where guns are illegal, crooks ram store fronts and then rob the place. A whacko could just as easily drive a car into a crowd and possibly kill more people than with a gun. Its the prople, not guns that are the problem.

We have the same rights without respect to the number of guns (1 or 3,000,00)
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