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Old 12-10-2009, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Source: Critics of Cecil Bothwell cite N.C. bar to atheists | citizen-times.com | Asheville Citizen-Times

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Old 12-10-2009, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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If you don't like it, go somewhere else. North Carolinians should have the right to run their state however they see fit.

I wish the whole country was a theocratic republic. I bet we would have universal healthcare.

Finland could almost be considered a theocratic republic, and it has one of the best healthcare systems in the world. Something like 1% or 2% of all taxes in Finland go directly to the Lutheran state churches.

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Old 12-10-2009, 10:26 AM
 
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Interesting post. You are absolutely correct. NC state law prohibits atheists from running for local office. That is bizarre, very interesting, and probably unconstitutional.



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If you don't like it, go somewhere else. South Carolinians should have the right to run their state however they see fit.
You realize this is North Carolina?
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:30 AM
 
Location: NC
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Dude that is a 18th century law that has been so irrelevant this is probably the first time its been invoked. Heck I even remember learning about it in public school and being told it did not matter because of the 1st amendment to the US constitution. I assure you there is not a state appeals court in the state North Carolina that will hold this up because it does clearly conflict with federal law.
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Up in the air
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Dude that is a 18th century law that has been so irrelevant this is probably the first time its been invoked. Heck I even remember learning about it in public school and being told it did not matter because of the 1st amendment to the US constitution. I assure you there is not a state appeals court in the state North Carolina that will hold this up because it does clearly conflict with federal law.
Yep, there are MANY states (mostly southern, though) that still have a version of that law on the records. It has been deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court to deny public office from someone who does not believe in 'god'. Personally, I would feel more comfortable with a person who bases their decisions on logic than in some invisible friend that tells them what they should do.
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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If you don't like it, go somewhere else. South Carolinians should have the right to run their state however they see fit.
Actually, no they don't. They must follow the US Constitution. If the fine citizens of South, or more accurately, North Carolina don't like it, they should go somewhere else.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Interesting post. You are absolutely correct. NC state law prohibits atheists from running for local office. That is bizarre, very interesting, and probably unconstitutional.

You realize this is North Carolina?
I don't know why but I had South Carolina on my mind, I think it was a combination of Sanford and Wilson.

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Actually, no they don't. They must follow the US Constitution. If the fine citizens of South, or more accurately, North Carolina don't like it, they should go somewhere else.
I am not sure that the first amendment protects atheism. Since atheism isn't technically a religion. If you put some sympathetic judges in the courts, I have no doubt that they could legitimize the North Carolinian constitution. But I would be more interested in the wording of the North Carolina constitution. If it talks about any god or if it more refers to the Christian god.
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:13 AM
 
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I am not sure that the first amendment protects atheism. Since atheism isn't technically a religion. If you put some sympathetic judges in the courts, I have no doubt that they could legitimize the North Carolinian constitution. But I would be more interested in the wording of the North Carolina constitution. If it talks about any god or if it more refers to the Christian god.
Even if it doesn't refer exactly to the Christian god you can safely assume that's what it regards. I mean, if I were to run for Office and say that I believe in the Almighty God Zeus, I would probably be called a crazy person and denied office. Of course, the Christian god is exempt from that?
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Even if it doesn't refer exactly to the Christian god you can safely assume that's what it regards. I mean, if I were to run for Office and say that I believe in the Almighty God Zeus, I would probably be called a crazy person and denied office. Of course, the Christian god is exempt from that?
The first amendment only protects the freedom to practice whatever religion you want. As long as the law simply states that you should believe in a god(IE that you are religious), then you shall be eligible for office. As long as it doesn't discriminate against what religion someone is, it wouldn't be illegal.

As for the general population seeing you as crazy, the population will vote for whoever they believe represents them best. Since the vast majority of Americans aren't worshippers of Zeus, you obviously won't get much support. And thats why we call it a democracy. People can cry all they want about how to become the president you HAVE to be a Christian. But when 80% of the population are Christians, should you expect anything less?
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Old 12-10-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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The first amendment only protects the freedom to practice whatever religion you want. As long as the law simply states that you should believe in a god(IE that you are religious), then you shall be eligible for office. As long as it doesn't discriminate against what religion someone is, it wouldn't be illegal.

As for the general population seeing you as crazy, the population will vote for whoever they believe represents them best. Since the vast majority of Americans aren't worshippers of Zeus, you obviously won't get much support. And thats why we call it a democracy. People can cry all they want about how to become the president you HAVE to be a Christian. But when 80% of the population are Christians, should you expect anything less?
Agreed somewhat. It's still unfortunate that even if a perfect candidate came forward who was intelligent and fair (I know this is a far reaching possibility) that the majority of Americans would not vote for him/her if they were a non-believer in Christianity.

I don't agree that a non-religious person should be banned from running for or holding an office. Religion shouldn't have a big part in the voting process but for too many it does.
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