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Hi people, so your patience is running thin w/this stimulus & it's only been.....oh, what.....6 months maybe? Wow, I wonder what magician can turn a country around in only 6 months cause I'd love to meet them. The catch? That doesn't exist, sorry. You're going to have to wait a little longer.
Hey...maybe things will turn around in ten years or so...like that other great leader did with the Great Depression....
Lets hope it won't require a world war costing millions of lives to get us out of this one.
I am one of those working just barely 30 hours(if I use up vacation I can get over 32 hours a week) in a profession that has had an incredible decline in quality of workers and the product...not that anyone seems to care.
The problem is that Barack Obama was elected to end the 30 + years of conserrvative/corporate fascist rule that got us in this mess- only to be revealed as a corporatist himself.
The problem is that Barack Obama was elected to end the 30 + years of conserrvative/corporate fascist rule that got us in this mess- only to be revealed as a corporatist himself.
I don't get this "30 + years of conservative/corporate fascist rule" non-sense. Democrats were defeated in the House of Representatives in 1994 after 40 years in the majority. This does not even take into account the number of Democratic Presidents or Senate majorities during the same timeframe.
How can you, or anyone else, keep passing off blame on "conservative rule" when it's simply not true? Democrats deserve just as much, if not more, of the blame.
Obama is a corporatist- he appointed Rahm Emanuel (guy who spearheaded the Dem side on NAFTA- which passed with mostly Republican votes (Dems being split between real Dems and Corporate (e.g., "Clinton" ones) to be his chief of staff.
He then pointed ex-Treasury Sec (Clinton's) Rubin, and Larry Sommers- two corporatists from the Clinton Admin (see a constant here??) who worked with Phil Gramm and ALL the Republicans to bust the Depression (last one) era law which seperated the Commerical and Investment banks.
This was the final straw for our economy, which had been in a nosedive since 1973. (See: "The Great U-Turn" by Bluestone and Harrison, "The Silent Depression" (1991) by Wallace Peterson, and "The Myth Of Free Trade" by Batra.)
Since, as has been proven ad nasuem, that depressions are caused by, "Too much money in too few hands", and since we replicated the same ratio of wealth (Wealthy v Middle Class) of 1929 in 2007, it was a given that another depression was due- and now we see it borne to its ugly fruition.
No, blame Obama for what's his to fault:
Lying; running as a progressive, then instuiting conservative, even disaster capitalistic, policies.
Blame him for appointing the same jerks who largely made the problem to fix the problem.
Blame him for supporting the corporation's interests over that of the Middle Class- just as EVERY president since Nixon (possible exception- believe it or not: Gerald R. Ford!) has done.
But blame the Republicans more than anyone- for they were a lock-step supporter of the policies that have given us the corporate-fascist America that's dropping like a fly in November.
And surely more than the Democrats, weho at least, had (and have) a pluralitry of Reps (and even a few Senators) who fought this fatal process (and the overwhelming $$ behind it) every step of the way.
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I don't get this "30 + years of conservative/corporate fascist rule" non-sense. Democrats were defeated in the House of Representatives in 1994 after 40 years in the majority. This does not even take into account the number of Democratic Presidents or Senate majorities during the same timeframe.
How can you, or anyone else, keep passing off blame on "conservative rule" when it's simply not true? Democrats deserve just as much, if not more, of the blame.
See my post above.
The problem is with the event of the buying of our government by corporate interests (see "The Power Game" by Hedrick Smith), coupled with the flow of power from the legislative to the exceutive, the House has been largely powerless to act.
Since the late 60's, there have been only two Democratic presidents:
Carter and Clinton.
Both pro-business, both anti-worker. And both from the conservative, Southern Wing of the Party.
And since the executive has set the pace to which the legislative responded.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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LOL...where will these people be working may I ask?
What work will they be doing or do you simply see everything going right back to the way it was BEFORE the housing market collapsed?
Hopefully we will have learned from the Age of The Bubble and we will settle into a more sustainable economy with GDP that grows at a rate of 3% a year. People will go back to work where they worked before getting laid off. They might not make what they made before- everybody but the rich are taking cuts- but the cost of houses will be less.
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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See my post above.
The problem is with the event of the buying of our government by corporate interests (see "The Power Game" by Hedrick Smith), coupled with the flow of power from the legislative to the exceutive, the House has been largely powerless to act.
Since the late 60's, there have been only two Democratic presidents:
Carter and Clinton.
Both pro-business, both anti-worker. And both from the conservative, Southern Wing of the Party.
And since the executive has set the pace to which the legislative responded.
True that. The last REAL liberal was FDR. LBJ was socially liberal but he was a war monger too.
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