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Old 07-07-2009, 07:37 AM
 
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Let's face it, lots of us feel powerless when dealing with "Big Brother". It doesn't matter what entity is exercising its power, it can overwhelm even the best of us. Some people react in different ways; some rant on the internet or write letters to the editor, others join "tea party" movements (registered trademark; Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey), others, lacking any socially acceptable outlet for their (perceived) grievance react with violence-witness the shooting of abortion doctors and the shooting at the Holocaust Museum.

Who are these powerful enemies that people perceive as "putting me down", "robbing me of my rights" or "stealing from my children? They can be any entrenched bureaucracy;

Banks-big offenders IMO
Insurance companies-in league with banks they now own many of our state legislatures, heck in TX the courts are a subsidiary of the insurance companies
"Monopolistic" business providers-cable, electric, phone, etc
Government-at any level, township, county, state, federal

This is one reason why the tea parties were such a (initial) success. People feel frustrated and don't know how to overcome the ones "holding them down". The problem with the tea parties is that they seemed (like Palin rallies) to attract the worst of our "citizens"; those who see "Nazism, Socialism and Fascism" in everything proposed (or imagined in their lizard brains) to be proposed by Obama or Pelosi-their twin "devils".

I think this, plus the lack of free commercials on Fox, plus the realization by many that they were being manipulated by many who had sold them on the "contact with America" back in the '90s, caused many "middle of the road" types to back away from the tea parties this time.

Looking at this objectively I realized what it is that the tea party movement needs. Many of those drawn to the tea party the first time felt the powerlessness of the individual and thought, "here is a way for my voice to be joined with others who think like I do", but when they got there they realized they were wrong.

The tea parties have made the voice of thousands sound like hundreds. Yet, there is a way for "powerless individuals" to join forces and make the voice of hundreds sound like thousands. But, and this is why it may not work for them, the way to do it is one that they claim to abhor. But if they want to grow and become effective the tea parties need, dare I say it...

A community organizer.

golfgod
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:29 AM
 
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Well, President Obama was pretty dismissive of them in April. Maybe his "community organizing" skills have lost a little of their luster over the years?
Wonder if he would agree with the protestors now since his stimulus plan doesn't seem to working 3 months later?
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Old 07-07-2009, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Holly Springs, NC USA
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I fell helpless against bureaucracies, especially the current one that seeks to promote intolerance, take over business and become the big brother entity that we all so hope to avoid but that successfully pulls the wool over so many people eyes by promising more and more.

I think Tea Parties a great thing to fight against uncontrolled government spending and tyranny. I think the term "community organizer" is a sham and so many people have bought it hook line and sinker. The best of our citizens see through this and the political promises that will bring about the ruin of this country.

Bureaucracies are the epitome of government so instead of reducing them or "it", this administration has rampantly expanded it with little or no foresight.
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I fell helpless against bureaucracies, especially the current one that seeks to promote intolerance, take over business and become the big brother entity that we all so hope to avoid but that successfully pulls the wool over so many people eyes by promising more and more.

I think Tea Parties a great thing to fight against uncontrolled government spending and tyranny. I think the term "community organizer" is a sham and so many people have bought it hook line and sinker. The best of our citizens see through this and the political promises that will bring about the ruin of this country.

Bureaucracies are the epitome of government so instead of reducing them or "it", this administration has rampantly expanded it with little or no foresight.
I don't think our OP understands that bureaucracy refers to government and controlling agencies of government. He seems to see big business as bureaucracy and that is not the real meaning of the word. He is one of those who don't think that the present administration is is aiming at complete control of everything by bureaucracies like the EPA.
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Old 07-07-2009, 09:45 AM
 
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Let's face it, lots of us feel powerless when dealing with "Big Brother". It doesn't matter what entity is exercising its power, it can overwhelm even the best of us. Some people react in different ways; some rant on the internet or write letters to the editor, others join "tea party" movements (registered trademark; Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey), others, lacking any socially acceptable outlet for their (perceived) grievance react with violence-witness the shooting of abortion doctors and the shooting at the Holocaust Museum.

Who are these powerful enemies that people perceive as "putting me down", "robbing me of my rights" or "stealing from my children? They can be any entrenched bureaucracy;

Banks-big offenders IMO
Insurance companies-in league with banks they now own many of our state legislatures, heck in TX the courts are a subsidiary of the insurance companies
"Monopolistic" business providers-cable, electric, phone, etc
Government-at any level, township, county, state, federal

This is one reason why the tea parties were such a (initial) success. People feel frustrated and don't know how to overcome the ones "holding them down". The problem with the tea parties is that they seemed (like Palin rallies) to attract the worst of our "citizens"; those who see "Nazism, Socialism and Fascism" in everything proposed (or imagined in their lizard brains) to be proposed by Obama or Pelosi-their twin "devils".

I think this, plus the lack of free commercials on Fox, plus the realization by many that they were being manipulated by many who had sold them on the "contact with America" back in the '90s, caused many "middle of the road" types to back away from the tea parties this time.

Looking at this objectively I realized what it is that the tea party movement needs. Many of those drawn to the tea party the first time felt the powerlessness of the individual and thought, "here is a way for my voice to be joined with others who think like I do", but when they got there they realized they were wrong.

The tea parties have made the voice of thousands sound like hundreds. Yet, there is a way for "powerless individuals" to join forces and make the voice of hundreds sound like thousands. But, and this is why it may not work for them, the way to do it is one that they claim to abhor. But if they want to grow and become effective the tea parties need, dare I say it...

A community organizer.

golfgod

Sounds good until one remembers that the most famous community organizer of them all only managed to plant a garden and blow 100 million dollars that could have bettered his communities educational standards.

Oh - and he wrote a book and made millions for himself, not his community
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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roysoldboy wrote;
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I don't think our OP understands that bureaucracy refers to government and controlling agencies of government. He seems to see big business as bureaucracy and that is not the real meaning of the word.
Actually I understand perfectly the meaning of the word. While it can mean "administration of a government" it also means "management marked by hierarchical authority and fixed procedures" and "the administrative structure of a large or complex organization".

Hence, when any of the type of companies tell you that "there's no reason for it, it's just our policy", you know your problem isn't going to get resolved.

But thanks to you and the other posters for avoiding the subject and not noticing that the tea parties seem to have run their course.

golfgod
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:11 PM
 
Location: OB
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Who are these powerful enemies that people perceive as "putting me down", "robbing me of my rights" or "stealing from my children? They can be any entrenched bureaucracy
Fannie Mae
Freddie Mack
HUD
ACORN
Democrat Party
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:12 PM
 
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But thanks to you and the other posters for avoiding the subject and not noticing that the tea parties seem to have run their course.

golfgod
It's a good vs. evil thing with them. Such is the mindset in black-and-white extremism.

You'll never reach them. It's a waste of time and energy. You'd have a better chance at convincing a creationist on the facts of evolution.
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:13 PM
 
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Fannie Mae
Freddie Mack
HUD
ACORN
Democrat Party
Don't forget the commies! Dirty bastids.
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Old 07-07-2009, 02:19 PM
 
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roysoldboy wrote;

Actually I understand perfectly the meaning of the word. While it can mean "administration of a government" it also means "management marked by hierarchical authority and fixed procedures" and "the administrative structure of a large or complex organization".

Hence, when any of the type of companies tell you that "there's no reason for it, it's just our policy", you know your problem isn't going to get resolved.

But thanks to you and the other posters for avoiding the subject and not noticing that the tea parties seem to have run their course.

golfgod
So is this about bureaucracies or tea parties? Bureaucracies no doubt fueled the anti-spending, anti-big government theme of the tea parties, but i'm having trouble linking the two together to forumlate an opinion about the tea parties actually having "ran their course?" If this is a veiled attempt to bash tea parties, I would remind you that liberals were decrying the TP's before the April 15th, declared that the movement had "fizzled", only to find that hundreds of communities across the nation rallieed again on July 4th. I'm not buying the "ran their course" and "fizzled" nonsense. You may be pessimistic, but i'd be careful, especially in light of the fact that the 2010 and 2012 elections will the ultimate decider of that movements' effectiveness.

I'm still scratching my head on how you went from a fairly thoughtful write-up on bureaucracies to fizzling tea parties? The icing on the cake is the "community orgainizer" reference. All I can say is,....huh?
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