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Old 07-08-2009, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The Obama justice system - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com

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The Obama justice system

Spencer Ackerman yesterday attended a Senate hearing at which the DOD's General Counsel, Jeh Johnson, testified. As Ackerman highlighted, Johnson actually said that even for those detainees to whom the Obama administration deigns to give a real trial in a real court, the President has the power to continue to imprison them indefinitely even if they are acquitted at their trial.

About this assertion of "presidential post-acquittal detention power" -- an Orwellian term (and a Kafka-esque concept) that should send shivers down the spine of anyone who cares at all about the most basic liberties -- Ackerman wrote, with some understatement, that it "moved the Obama administration into new territory from a civil liberties perspective." Law professor Jonathan Turley was more blunt: "The Obama Administration continues its retention and expansion of abusive Bush policies — now clearly Obama policies on indefinite detention."
Expansion of Bush policies - you betcha.

But this is beyond the pale - retaining acquitted detainees, indefinitely?

Wow - I bet the Left is just reeling.....maybe not. After all, he is a democrat.
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Old 07-08-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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The Obama justice system - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com



Expansion of Bush policies - you betcha.

But this is beyond the pale - retaining acquitted detainees, indefinitely?

Wow - I bet the Left is just reeling.....maybe not. After all, he is a democrat.
It may be that they are unwilling to present evidence sufficient to get a conviction in a court of law for fear that it would jeapordize ongoing efforts. To that point, they may decide to detain said individual anyway.
I've long viewed Guantanamo as an issue that partisan people use to pick at the other side. Funny to see the shoe change feet and the straight-ticket types flip-flop.

In any event, yes, it is hillarious at how many people voted to put a stop to Guantanamo, to get gay marriage, to get us out of Iraq, Universal Healthcare....mmmm yeah, any minute now.

Oh well, maybe it will encourage more young voters to vote issues and not parties. Milk for free and all that....
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:31 PM
 
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Wow - I bet the Left is just reeling.....maybe not. After all, he is a democrat.
*dons conservative hat a'la 2003*

Yeah. And when we're attacked AGAIN, it's on YOUR conscience! Wimp!

*dons conservative hat a'la 2009*

Yeah. Put these thugs in YOUR town! Wimp...I mean...loser!

(You cons are a constant source of amazement.)
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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Acquitted Detainees; We can still keep them!

Next thing you know the neoCONS will loan them out to their big business contributors and have them working on the line putting potted meat in a can headed for Wal-Mart.
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Old 07-08-2009, 12:59 PM
 
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Acquitted Detainees; We can still keep them!

Next thing you know the neoCONS will loan them out to their big business contributors and have them working on the line putting potted meat in a can headed for Wal-Mart.
What a farce! They just want the Muslim vote! Corrupt neocons! I'm so mad! Here's an exclamation mark for no reason at all: !
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Old 07-08-2009, 01:00 PM
 
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Acquitted Detainees; We can still keep them!

Next thing you know the neoCONS will loan them out to their big business contributors and have them working on the line putting potted meat in a can headed for Wal-Mart.

At least they would be kept busy and closely monitored.
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Old 07-08-2009, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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At least they would be kept busy and closely monitored.
True....and potted meat ain't THAT bad if you mix it in mayo and keep it out of the sun.
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Old 07-08-2009, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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What a farce! They just want the Muslim vote! Corrupt neocons! I'm so mad! Here's an exclamation mark for no reason at all: !
That was actually pretty funny

You are pretty liberal on giving those exclamation marks out...I'm usually stingy with them myself,but I give a lot of away freely...here,take another one. they spoil if you don't use them fast enough.
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Key West
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*dons conservative hat a'la 2003*

Yeah. And when we're attacked AGAIN, it's on YOUR conscience! Wimp!

*dons conservative hat a'la 2009*

Yeah. Put these thugs in YOUR town! Wimp...I mean...loser!

(You cons are a constant source of amazement.)
What is amazing is how bad your sense of humor is

I assume you were trying to be funny??
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Key West
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The Obama justice system - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com



Expansion of Bush policies - you betcha.

But this is beyond the pale - retaining acquitted detainees, indefinitely?

Wow - I bet the Left is just reeling.....maybe not. After all, he is a democrat.
Coem on, we ALL know that it is Bush's fault. After all, the fact that we are in SUCH an unjust war in Iraq and the Middle east must mean that poor Obama who was left with SUCH a big mess was forced to do this
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