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Old 07-09-2009, 11:17 PM
 
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"As California lawmakers struggle with a budget gap now grown to $26.3 billion, one of the hottest topics for many taxpayers is the cost to the state of illegal immigrants.

The question of whether taxpayers should provide services to illegal residents became a major political issue in California's last deep recession, culminating in the ballot fight over Proposition 187 in 1994. That history could repeat itself in the current downturn, as activists opposed to illegal immigration have launched a campaign for an initiative that would, among other things, cut off welfare payments to the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants. Those children are eligible for welfare benefits because they are U.S. citizens."


Deficit may trigger anti-illegal immigration ballot measure - Los Angeles Times
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:41 PM
 
Location: mancos
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ha ha freeloaders have more rights than hard working Americans in cali dream on
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Good luck with that.
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:58 PM
 
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If this proposition passed, I bet it would be overturned, but even if it wasn't overturned, I think it would cause more problems than its worth.

Picking on the children of illegal immigrants isn't the answer. The answer is to stop illegal immigrants from entering the country in the first place.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Texas
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If this proposition passed, I bet it would be overturned, but even if it wasn't overturned, I think it would cause more problems than its worth.

Picking on the children of illegal immigrants isn't the answer. The answer is to stop illegal immigrants from entering the country in the first place.
The answer is also to get the ones who are in the country out. This should be done by focusing on their employers and, yes, on any welfare they may be receiving - even if it is unfair to their kids.

Ideally, the illegal aliens should all be rounded up and deported (unrealistic, but I can dream, can't I? ). If their children are citizens, they should be allowed to have them remain in the US with legal family or friends or in foster care (yes, it would cost money, but it would be worth it to get the illegals out) or to take them with them. The illegals should not be allowed to remain, nor should they be allowed any benefits whatsoever. PERIOD.

This problem should be stopped as it applies to future births. No more birthright citizenship.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:09 PM
 
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The answer is also to get the ones who are in the country out. This should be done by focusing on their employers and, yes, on any welfare they may be receiving - even if it is unfair to their kids.
Could California ever get that desperate?

Wouldn't it sell the redwoods first?
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:18 PM
 
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The answer is also to get the ones who are in the country out. This should be done by focusing on their employers and, yes, on any welfare they may be receiving - even if it is unfair to their kids.

Ideally, the illegal aliens should all be rounded up and deported (unrealistic, but I can dream, can't I? ). If their children are citizens, they should be allowed to have them remain in the US with legal family or friends or in foster care (yes, it would cost money, but it would be worth it to get the illegals out) or to take them with them. The illegals should not be allowed to remain, nor should they be allowed any benefits whatsoever. PERIOD.

This problem should be stopped as it applies to future births. No more birthright citizenship.
I agree with you on not granting birthright citizenship, but I don't think the political will is there to deport the illegals or cut off their benefits. I do think that it would be politically feasible to strengthen our borders. I'm sure that the vast majority of our population - even illegal immigrants - would support that.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:22 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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If it goes well with Michael Jackson's they could auction off celebrity funerals to the public.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:34 PM
 
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The answer is also to get the ones who are in the country out. This should be done by focusing on their employers and, yes, on any welfare they may be receiving - even if it is unfair to their kids.

Ideally, the illegal aliens should all be rounded up and deported (unrealistic, but I can dream, can't I? ). If their children are citizens, they should be allowed to have them remain in the US with legal family or friends or in foster care (yes, it would cost money, but it would be worth it to get the illegals out) or to take them with them. The illegals should not be allowed to remain, nor should they be allowed any benefits whatsoever. PERIOD.

This problem should be stopped as it applies to future births. No more birthright citizenship.
Absolutely
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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I agree with you on not granting birthright citizenship, but I don't think the political will is there to deport the illegals or cut off their benefits. I do think that it would be politically feasible to strengthen our borders. I'm sure that the vast majority of our population - even illegal immigrants - would support that.
The problem with just focusing on border control is the fact that close to 1/3 of all illegal aliens in the U.S. didn't cross the border illegally. They overstayed their visas.
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