Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
I just returned from a research trip to Norway where the people I interviewed often brought up the topic of our new President. The first was Kristin Clemet, the director of a conservative think tank. "This spring on a delegation to Washington I was struck again," she said, "by how different the political spectrum is in Norway from your country. Here, Obama would be on the right wing." I checked her view with others -- academics, politicians, activists all over the Norwegian spectrum -- and all but one agreed. In Norwegian terms, our President's positions are very conservative.
OF COURSE THEY DO! He is carrying out many of the same policies as Bush. The only difference is Obama uses more carefully chosen words. Instead of "you are either with us or against us" he says "Al Qaeda is still a threat. We cannot pretend somehow that because Barack Hussein Obama got elected as president, suddenly everything is going to be OK. "
Independents are moving away from him as well and they will continue as he go forward with his massive tax hikes.
I am an Independent that would have never voted for hussein obama. It took no brain power to know there was no way he could or would fullfill all the promises he made to reel in the fools.
I know, and I agree. This is why they look at higher education as their enemy. They vilify college professors. They don't want people to learn about the world outside of the U.S. Basically, their philosophy is, "The U.S. is always right - even when we're wrong!"
As Peggy Noonan said, Palin couldn't name any newspapers that she's read because she doesn't read any!
Your right about that higher education being the enemy thing. So many people rebut my arguments by saying that I got brainwashed at my liberal/socialist/communist University. No! The truth is that while most of my professors leaned to the left, I definetely had some that leaned to the right. I basically spend the whole semester debating with these right wing professors and I still finished their classes with very high grades. The ones that are saying I'm brainwashed are brainwashed and they aren't going to give me an argument that I haven't heard and rebutted before. I, on the other hand, learned how to think out of the box and that is why I question everyone, Republicans as well as Democrats.
Both parties have shifted to the left, that is really the context to view him in.
FDR would have been proud of Bushs spending and expansion of government.
Bush was further left by far than Obama ever a conservative.
Lets remember Obama held the distinction of having the most liberal voting record in the senate for the year 2006. If that's not flaming, it sure is warm.
And Obama is pretty out there when you consider the company he has kept with the likes of hard core lefties like Ayers,Rev. Wright,Father Pflegar, not to mention he was heavily influnced by the teachings of radical leftist organizer Saul Alynsky.
Hardly centrist types.
I don't mean to be rude here, but you're just regurgitating false propaganda.
Obama's "most liberal voting record" was due to his position in the opposition party. When you have Bush proposing hardcore conservative policies then he had no choice but to vote no on them. It does not make him the most liberal.
And then you bring up Ayers, who, as I'm sure you know, only knew Obama because they were both on a board of directors for an arch-conservative's education initiative. They hardly knew each other (I know it's hard to accept if you've grown to trust him, but Hannity lies and manipulates facts to the point that he will probably go to Hell if Christian mythology is accurate).
Rev. Wright is a preacher who represents many professionals, from doctors and lawyers to teachers and business owners. He is a very popular figure. While I don't ascribe to his message, he is far from some radical extremist. One need only look to the radical extremist ministers around which Bush surrounded himself when he turned to religion to compensate for his alcoholism.
As for Saul Alynski, Obama's also been heavily influenced by Abe Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and Ronald Reagan.
Stop cherry picking the influences of a complex individual so you can paint him into some "other" corner.
it is interesting that as liberal policies continue to fail, liberals are going to try to tie obama in as a "right winger".
there is no "right winger" in america who would support the bailouts or piling on more debt to get out of debt.
Liberal policies aren't failing at all.
No one's painting Obama as a "right winger", rather simply as the centrist he always was.
The "right wing" voted for Bush for 2 terms and Congress for 3 terms from 2000-2006. As such, they knew precisely what they were getting when they supported massive government spending over those years and a Bush bailout of over $700 billion as well as a White House bailout of the auto industry by Bush.
As much as you are trying to disown him now, Bush represented conservatism, so you are incorrect.
it is interesting that as liberal policies continue to fail, liberals are going to try to tie obama in as a "right winger".
what are you talking about?!
"Liberals" arent like the slimy right wingers who dole out the propaganda to paint GWB as a "liberal" because they want to disassociate themselves from the mess we're in now, and know their constituency has the shortest and simplest of memories.
Just because your group does it, and you buy into it, doesnt mean everyone does it.
I don't mean to be rude here, but you're just regurgitating false propaganda.
Obama's "most liberal voting record" was due to his position in the opposition party. When you have Bush proposing hardcore conservative policies then he had no choice but to vote no on them. It does not make him the most liberal.
This isn't a sufficient explanation as Obama's voting record was slightly to the Left of Democratic average. Certainly to the Left of Harry Reid who was heading the opposition party in the Senate. (Although to the Right of many Illinois Democrats)
The National Journal rating is however unreliable as it tends to go on insufficient information and has other problems. The American Conservative Union gives him a 10 for conservative Lifetime Quotient. This puts him less than average for a Democrat, but to the Right of more Democrats than he is Left. (Ten is a small enough CLQ that it's plausibly easier for a Democrat to be further Right than Left of it)
I think that was a bit of a surprise for some on the Right. Obama is really a center-Left conventional Democrat. However we haven't had a Center-Left conventional Democrat as President since Carter.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
