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Old 07-14-2009, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Unless the program is operational, there is no need to brief the congress.
That is factually incorrect. Try again.

"The law requires the president to make sure the intelligence committees “are kept fully and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States, including any significant anticipated intelligence activity.” But the language of the statute, the amended National Security Act of 1947, leaves some leeway for judgment, saying such briefings should be done “to the extent consistent with due regard for the protection from unauthorized disclosure of classified information relating to sensitive intelligence sources and methods or other exceptionally sensitive matters.”

In addition, for covert action programs, a particularly secret category in which the role of the United States is hidden, the law says that briefings can be limited to the so-called Gang of Eight, consisting of the Republican and Democratic leaders of both houses of Congress and of their intelligence committees."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us...s/12intel.html
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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CIA Had Secret Al Qaeda Plan - WSJ.com



Do the dems/libs really want to whine and moan too much about this? Is there something wrong with wanting to kill the guys who took down the towers?

Again - they are on the wrong side, they are on the terrorists side.


No, there's something WRONG about breaking the law, something the Uptighty-Righties are all too often willing to overlook, as when "I don't remember" is accepted as an an excuse.

So accusing the dems of being on the terrorists' side is just a BIG, steaming pile of BS!
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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That is factually incorrect. Try again.
They were briefed about the program. The NYT spilled the beans in 2002.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/....surveillance/

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Both sources said the program that Panetta discussed fell under a presidential finding that broadly authorized covert counterterrorism activities. They said Congress had been briefed on that finding in the fall of 2001, and there was no requirement to brief lawmakers on a program that had not been implemented.

"When it goes operational, then you brief them," one of the former officials said.
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:14 AM
 
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Well I think it's safe to say this issue has been put to rest.





To recap:
  • Congress was duly informed even though the progam, not being operational, didn't require Congress be informed.
  • Congressional democrats leaked the existence of the program thus risking national security for political gain further underscoring they are in league with Al Queda, the Taliban and any and all who would do the US harm.
  • Congress approved efforts to kill Al Queda / Taliban leaders
  • NYT published story designed to convey the appearance of a cover up where non existed and to divert attention from Obama's failing domestic agenda
  • Bush administration totally vindicated...again.
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Excellent summation, Zgack.
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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They were briefed about the program. The NYT spilled the beans in 2002.

Cheney getting 'bum rap' on CIA program, ex-officials say - CNN.com
Pelosi said she was unconcerned with waterboarding because, she claims, the CIA told her that waterboarding was not implemented, is she now concerned with programs that never made it past the "what if" phase?

So which way is it, does congress not care about programs until they become active, or do they care about being informed at all stages of discussion, even if a program is not going to be implemented?
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:29 AM
 
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Well I think it's safe to say this issue has been put to rest.
I hope, but every time things get a little tough for this current administration they bring out the Cheney boogeyman and kick it around for a week or two to distract the electorate...and it works.

And do the Democrats seriously want to be percieved as being soft on bin Laden? Everyone wanted him taken out, even the Democrats.

I can hardly wait till the adults are back in office.

Here is an excellent article by Andrew C. McCarthy titled Another Phony Scandal.

Another Phony Scandal by Andrew C. McCarthy on National Review Online
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Well I think it's safe to say this issue has been put to rest.





To recap:
  • Congress was duly informed even though the progam, not being operational, didn't require Congress be informed.
  • Congressional democrats leaked the existence of the program thus risking national security for political gain further underscoring they are in league with Al Queda, the Taliban and any and all who would do the US harm.
  • Congress approved efforts to kill Al Queda / Taliban leaders
  • NYT published story designed to convey the appearance of a cover up where non existed and to divert attention from Obama's failing domestic agenda
  • Bush administration totally vindicated...again.
...and the program to kill Al Queda / Taliban leaders is adopted by the 0bama administration. along with NSA program, rendition, a request to build a new prison like GITMO, indefinite terrorist detention, "air-raiding villages and kiling civilians" with drones, "targeted killings" in Pakistan and Afghanistan with predator drones...
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Old 07-14-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I hope, but every time things get a little tough for this current administration they bring out the Cheney boogeyman and kick it around for a week or two to distract the electorate...and it works.
It hasn't, really.

People are still talking and writing about the failure of the stimulus.
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