Do Africans think they are better than African Americans? (serial killers, child predators, crime rates)
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Your last sentence is EXACTLY why i don't listen to any of that gibberish from Native Africans that move here and put their noses in the clouds. I'll cut the conversation completely off and tell'em to GTFOH.....if everyone where they're from has such great values and is so smart, why are they all trying to come here? What are they trying to escape from?
I did not write what you are responding to. Also I was born and raised here, I didn't immigrate from anywhere.
Tell me what immigrant group doesn't believe itself to be better than American blacks? Same story, just a different accent. It seems like one of the major prerequisites for securing acceptance of the white majority in this country is openly proclaiming your disdain for the entire native black population, but when it comes to these groups seeking moral support for their own civil rights agendas, the American black struggle suddenly becomes the sine qua non of everyone's attempt to legitimize their own fight for social or political significance, and blacks are usually expected to render their support automatically and unconditionally.
It's not about being accepted by whites. At the end of the day it appears that's what you guys desire most.
Immigrants are just going by their personal interactions with Black Americans. For many of them it's not a pleasant experience.
Also it American Blacks who are so fixated on whites that they latch on to all non-white groups and seek to form an alliances with them "to get whitey" whose fault is that?
I'm sure once the Hispanics get amnesty through they will begin to push out Blacks from political positions. Should be interesting to watch it go down. I think Miami is a great microcosm of what's to come for Blacks vis a vis the Hispanic influx.
you didnt build it. you might have had a hand in helping to build, but you did not build it.
I love this line of thinking from Black Americans when they say, "We built this country!" As if being slaves with no say so of what, why or how things get built constitutes "building" of anything.
It's not about being accepted by whites. At the end of the day it appears that's what you guys desire most.
Immigrants are just going by their personal interactions with Black Americans. For many of them it's not a pleasant experience.
Also it American Blacks who are so fixated on whites that they latch on to all non-white groups and seek to form an alliances with them "to get whitey" whose fault is that?
I'm sure once the Hispanics get amnesty through they will begin to push out Blacks from political positions. Should be interesting to watch it go down. I think Miami is a great microcosm of what's to come for Blacks vis a vis the Hispanic influx.
Which is it? Are blacks out to "get whitey" or are they singularly desirous of white acceptance? Such motives might be characteristic of some in the black political fringe (black radicals and black ultraconservatives, respectively), but hardly even begin to describe the spirit behind the project of the civil rights. Indeed, if there was one thing blacks could never take for granted, it was the freedom and mobility that comes with social equality, neither of which necessarily entails a demand for white acceptance or political usurpation.
Immigrants of color who enjoy the benefits of equality (which many see as a given) are free to focus on economic pursuits with little thought about what it took and still takes to keep this nation beholden to the highest moral standard; that is until their own civil rights appear to be threatened. In exchange for full integration into mainstream society, the immigrant subscribes to the long-standing anti black American narrative, and it so happens that there are just enough negative real life interactions with the lowest forms of black society to keep the narrative alive, even if keeping it alive requires that the immigrant extract these negative experiences for wholesale exportation onto black society as a whole. When times call for the restoration of America's moral commitment to equality, the narrative is temporarily abandoned in favor of a (usually guilt-trip laden) call for black America to lend their support.
In the case of Hispanics, the push to redefine the illegal immigrant struggle in the language of the civil rights movement highlights the ad hoc deference of some immigrant groups toward the moral victories and successes of black Americans when they believe it will justify their cause.
Some Hispanic pro-immigration advocates have become frustrated at the less than enthusiastic response from many in the black community, as they realize the major political benefits of forging a "black-brown" coalition with respect to their movement. Without the "fire" from the civil rights machine, the prospect of an immigration reform system that tends toward amnesty falters from lack of urgency and import. Burgeoning population numbers do not necessarily translate into political influence or the ability to effect major political change, especially if many within that population aren't even on the same ideological page to begin with.
Most immigrant groups have a lot of people in them that don't respect blacks.
Why?
Cause these people come from third world countries where slavery, genocide, and starvation are still very real things and not stories from your grandparents. They think whodo these black people think they are complaining about struggles they don't even know about? These people wernt told about slavery, many of them have seen and even experienced it.
In the case of africans its even worse. Because after slavery ended in the US many blacks moved back to africa and enslaved there own and ruled them with brutal force and genocide. So there experiencing there oppressor telling them there struggle is nothing and they should be grateful for them paving the way. Its ironic cause its the same mentality racist whites have towards blacks.
What they encounter is hate crime laws and affirmative action that doesn't favor them [indians, asians, hispanics] but instead favors blacks.
The same people these laws cater to, they notice always seem to complain about racism and inequality for them.
They notice a lot of these people make excuses and blame others for there disgusting antisocial behaviour. The ones that they notice are good folks still make excuses for the bad apples in there race and blame others or outright deny it. They notice there are even political groups and prominent figures that make a living off this irresponsible behaviour [naacp, jesse jackson, al sharpton, etc.]
Than there's the news. Almost every murder in there city is committed by blacks and all the bad neighborhoods are mostly occupied by blacks.
Than there's ugly racism. I don't know many immigrants who have experienced racism from any other groups except blacks. Every immigrant I know has stories of being disrespected, or robbed by black strangers, and what they encounter in general is hostility from many blacks.
Put yourself in there shoes. How can the majority of them not hate blacks?
Just like when whites complain about blacks treating them like crap and being racist, put yourself in there shoes! They were taught in school there whole lives about the terrible things whites did to them and there grandparents and parents who they love experienced it and passed the stories and hate down. How can the majority of them not hate whites?
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Most immigrant groups have a lot of people in them that don't respect blacks.
Why?
Cause these people come from third world countries where slavery, genocide, and starvation are still very real things and not stories from your grandparents. They think whodo these black people think they are complaining about struggles they don't even know about? These people wernt told about slavery, many of them have seen and even experienced it.
In the case of africans its even worse. Because after slavery ended in the US many blacks moved back to africa and enslaved there own and ruled them with brutal force and genocide. So there experiencing there oppressor telling them there struggle is nothing and they should be grateful for them paving the way. Its ironic cause its the same mentality racist whites have towards blacks.
What they encounter is hate crime laws and affirmative action that doesn't favor them [indians, asians, hispanics] but instead favors blacks.
The same people these laws cater to, they notice always seem to complain about racism and inequality for them.
They notice a lot of these people make excuses and blame others for there disgusting antisocial behaviour. The ones that they notice are good folks still make excuses for the bad apples in there race and blame others or outright deny it. They notice there are even political groups and prominent figures that make a living off this irresponsible behaviour [naacp, jesse jackson, al sharpton, etc.]
Than there's the news. Almost every murder in there city is committed by blacks and all the bad neighborhoods are mostly occupied by blacks.
Than there's ugly racism. I don't know many immigrants who have experienced racism from any other groups except blacks. Every immigrant I know has stories of being disrespected, or robbed by black strangers, and what they encounter in general is hostility from many blacks.
Put yourself in there shoes. How can the majority of them not hate blacks?
Just like when whites complain about blacks treating them like crap and being racist, put yourself in there shoes! They were taught in school there whole lives about the terrible things whites did to them and there grandparents and parents who they love experienced it and passed the stories and hate down. How can the majority of them not hate whites?
I agree with your post except for the part in bold. Where are you getting this from? There was no real back to Africa movement after the abolition of slavery. Are you referring to Liberia? Which was founded by Black Americans who would later oppressed and enslaved the native Africans there well into the 20th century?
Which is it? Are blacks out to "get whitey" or are they singularly desirous of white acceptance? Such motives might be characteristic of some in the black political fringe (black radicals and black ultraconservatives, respectively), but hardly even begin to describe the spirit behind the project of the civil rights. Indeed, if there was one thing blacks could never take for granted, it was the freedom and mobility that comes with social equality, neither of which necessarily entails a demand for white acceptance or political usurpation.
Immigrants of color who enjoy the benefits of equality (which many see as a given) are free to focus on economic pursuits with little thought about what it took and still takes to keep this nation beholden to the highest moral standard; that is until their own civil rights appear to be threatened. In exchange for full integration into mainstream society, the immigrant subscribes to the long-standing anti black American narrative, and it so happens that there are just enough negative real life interactions with the lowest forms of black society to keep the narrative alive, even if keeping it alive requires that the immigrant extract these negative experiences for wholesale exportation onto black society as a whole. When times call for the restoration of America's moral commitment to equality, the narrative is temporarily abandoned in favor of a (usually guilt-trip laden) call for black America to lend their support.
In the case of Hispanics, the push to redefine the illegal immigrant struggle in the language of the civil rights movement highlights the ad hoc deference of some immigrant groups toward the moral victories and successes of black Americans when they believe it will justify their cause.
Some Hispanic pro-immigration advocates have become frustrated at the less than enthusiastic response from many in the black community, as they realize the major political benefits of forging a "black-brown" coalition with respect to their movement. Without the "fire" from the civil rights machine, the prospect of an immigration reform system that tends toward amnesty falters from lack of urgency and import. Burgeoning population numbers do not necessarily translate into political influence or the ability to effect major political change, especially if many within that population aren't even on the same ideological page to begin with.
This is a good post. I would say it is a mixture of both. There is resentment in the Black community about not being fully embraced by Whites while simultaneously feeling that past wrongs have not been sufficiently addressed.
Also while the Black community more or less is indifferent towards amnesty, Black leadership is firmly behind it. The CBC co-sponsors legislation, when a well respected black professor Carol Swain testified in Congress about the impact of immigration on Blacks, Rep. Conyers rudely shouted her down told her she was being divisive.
The burgeoning numbers of Hispanics have translated to political power in California at the expense of Blacks but you're right Hispanics tend to be underrepresented since many are not citizens.
Tell me what immigrant group doesn't believe itself to be better than American blacks? Same story, just a different accent. It seems like one of the major prerequisites for securing acceptance of the white majority in this country is openly proclaiming your disdain for the entire native black population, but when it comes to these groups seeking moral support for their own civil rights agendas, the American black struggle suddenly becomes the sine qua non of everyone's attempt to legitimize their own fight for social or political significance, and blacks are usually expected to render their support automatically and unconditionally.
I agree with this 1000%. The tap-dancing Bojangles act is nauseating to watch.
I was born and raised in the USA. I've been to Ghana once as a child for about a month.
Also Ghana's crime rate is far lower than America's look it up.
Yes, but your parents were born in Ghana. So, you are still ignorant to US race relations. Your family has no history of the strugglles black endured in America, so all you know is the "America is the land of opportunity" spiel.
Also, Ghana's population is a lot smaller than America's, so it would stand to reason that the crime rate would be lower.
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