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Old 07-24-2009, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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One good idea a good leader does not make, it is a good start though for overseas conflicts.

We should be out of the countries where we are not welcome, once the job is done and they are as stable as we can make it while they take over for themselves. We can reduce our military compliment and costly deployments, and use it back into our own country where it really belongs.
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Old 07-24-2009, 08:42 PM
 
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I wish he would allow his libertarian beliefs to extend to abortion. It's a state issue, and I wish he would see that. Abortion notwithstanding, I support Paul 99% and I think he's the best that we've got.
Abortions should be illegal at decided upon some timeframe, but I am sick of these idiots popping out babies left and right and expecting someone else to take care of them.
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Old 07-25-2009, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I wish he would allow his libertarian beliefs to extend to abortion. It's a state issue, and I wish he would see that. Abortion notwithstanding, I support Paul 99% and I think he's the best that we've got.
Ron Paul has repeatedly said it IS a states issue and should be decided that way.
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Old 07-27-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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The total economic impact of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is estimated at $1.6 trillion by 2009, a congressional committee said in a report released Tuesday.

The total war costs could grow to $3.5 trillion by 2017, the committee estimated.

The higher total economic impact comes from, among other things, the cost of borrowing money to pay for the war, lost productivity, higher oil prices and the cost of health care for veterans, the committee said.

The committee calculated the average cost of both wars for a family of four would be $20,900 from 2002 to 2008. The cost for a family of four would go up to $46,400 from 2002 to 2017, the committee said.

War costs could total $1.6 trillion by 2009, panel estimates - CNN.com

Ok KRAMERCAT, i like that you posted at least one side of those war spending statistics, but you left out the other side.

War also generates jobs for Americans. In fact it generates a lot of jobs for some of the poorest Americans as well as many working poor Americans (blue collar folks etc).

Where do you think most of those government contracts went for weapons? They certainly did not all funnel to foreign countries considering we are one of the strongest producers of defense weaponry in the world.

I think the other side of the argument should be how many jobs were created via the war? How many jobs would have been lost without the war?

I think these are all valid question. I look at Defense spending as no different than a government stimulus package. I do not have the facts and figures, but I'd make a tidy wager with you more than 50-70% of that spending never left this country.

You're right the problem with Spending money on war is the inflation and deficits it can lead to, but the increase in the money supply goes somewhere and most of that money is spent in the US.
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