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While there needs to be something done with healthcare like putting a cap on what they can charge, what is it about Democrats that want it passed RIGHT NOW when not even the president knows what is in the bill? Are you all insane when this will be something that cannot be undone if it is a failure!
you can't let and industry loose and then put a cap on one or two aspects of it.. you'll run it in the ground and it will do EXACTLY what conservatives think UHC will do but are seriously mistaken...
If you want our healthcare system to fail... putting caps on a market segment that is a cartel already is only going to make the quality of care plummet..
The only way to fix healthcare is to create a nationalized system.. not all national systems in the world are the best example.. but quite a few are.. .
They work, they're wonderful, and I know this because I've used them...
It would help if the Democrats would read there bill!!!! How is the next generation going to possibly pay for our irresponsible spending.
Not only should we think of our own needs, but we must consider what this is going to do to the future children, that are behind us and what this will do to there life in America.
Everyone has to stop thinking that this is all for FREE!!!!!
I think one problem with the Democrats is that there are so many different perspectives and ideologies within the party. The Republican party, with the exception of the 2 Maine Senators, is a far-right party. In the Democrats you have the rank and file corporate Democrats, the progressive Democrats and the blue dog Democrats. Pretty much everything from center right to far left is incorporated into the Democratic Party. For example, Mary Landrieu has more in common with probably more than half of all Republicans that she does with say Raul Grijalva or Dennis Kucinich. Take health care for example. You've got blue dogs that are against the public option and then you've got progressive Democrats that support single-payer and will vote against any bill without the public option. The Republicans on the other hand, are pretty much unified in keeping with the status quo and/or implementing some minor reforms that in no way would affect the private insurance companies or create any sort of public health care.
Never mind Dem/Rep. Vote against every emcumbent, every time, forever. That is the only way we can restore a government of the people. The lobbyists run our government.
I called Senator Reid's office this afternoon and they are flooded with callers asking them to move forward with the bill, but he won't. I seriously doubt that they are going to get anything off the ground as the election cycle heats up in the fall. Obama knows that too, which is the primary reason why he was pushing so hard on this. This was the window and they missed it. But there are no excuses on this one because the Dems have a solid majority so they have no one to blame but themselves. Seems like that's always their story though. First it was the republicans that were holding them back, now it's something else.
I don't know why I even vote for Democrats anymore. They don't pass the policies that they ran their elections on and then raise my taxes to pay for policies I disagree with.
I should just support republicans because they may do many things I don't like, but they lower my taxes while they do it. Sometimes I think it would just be better to vote in GOP tards and let them borrow from China until they are blue in the face. At least with a republican I know what I am getting. I'm in the tax bracket that the Dems are targeting for big tax increases, so why would I support them and pay more taxes if they are going to table the very legislation that's most important to me? It's not like they have an excuse this time. They are just cowards.
Oh well, now the insurance execs will continue soaking the public with higher premiums and worse policy riders. They are safe now and they know it. Get ready for health insurance to get much, much worse. They know that there won't be reform anytime soon and they've bought themselves another decade or so to really stick it to the people and make as much money as they can before the system collapses completely. And it will collapse. What a sad day for America.
The bill is crap and full of other stuff beside....Read it, it's horrible for people...all people.....
While there needs to be something done with healthcare like putting a cap on what they can charge, what is it about Democrats that want it passed RIGHT NOW when not even the president knows what is in the bill? Are you all insane when this will be something that cannot be undone if it is a failure!
Yes like the Dept. of Transportation, Dept. of Education both big government crap.....Look at their yearly budget....Wow that could fund health care.
they are flooded with callers asking them to move forward with the bill
Really, they told you that? Now that's funny.
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Originally Posted by ATXIronHorse
In their bones the dems know that most Americans don't want the government running healthcare. The dems also know that they cannot depend on idealistic college kids, hollywood stars and wanna-be socialist loons to carry them in 2010 and 2012. They'd love to appease their base but also do not want to alienate mainstream America.
Very true.
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Originally Posted by I am Joe White
Obama was the most liberal Senator.
There was no one farther to the left.
Really, any farther left and he would be in Beijing.
I think an even more prudent question would be "Why continue to vote at all"
We are hand fed our candidates. We vote for the pre approved. Even in primaries, the candidates have been chosen and we get to pick from the litter. But it's not like we put them on the list in the first place. They are all pre approved as possible presidential candidates. And then, once it's narrowed down to two hand fed candidates, we pick sides and try to beat out the competition. Then, once we win, or lose, we sit back and watch our elected officials do everything but represent the people. So why do we keep playing the game by their rules. It's time for actual change people, and step one is seizing control of this insane political monster we have created and start with something fresh. A new way to elect who we really want, democratically. Take control of the media out of the state's hands, and allow people to see everyone who is running, not just the Dem or Repub. Until we do that, there is really no point in voting at all. Because either way it goes, we are screwed.
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Seems like that's always their story though. First it was the republicans that were holding them back, now it's something else.
At least with a republican I know what I am getting. I'm in the tax bracket that the Dems are targeting for big tax increases, so why would I support them and pay more taxes if they are going to table the very legislation that's most important to me? It's not like they have an excuse this time. They are just cowards. 
They know that there won't be reform anytime soon and they've bought themselves another decade or so to really stick it to the people and make as much money as they can before the system collapses completely. And it will collapse. What a sad day for America. 
