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Old 07-24-2009, 02:15 PM
 
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Please provide those studies, with links directly to their sources. If you can not, then see my previous post.

Crime on the Rise? » Research


Impact of the media

Subsequent research has shown the mass media are a powerful amplifying mechanism when it comes to crime coverage, Warr says. Unfortunately, this can lead to big misperceptions.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Because the general welfare clause is to "promote" not "provide". The defense is "provided" which is why we pay taxes for it. When you promote, you do not demand, control, or regulate.
Not quite: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:18 PM
 
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Not quite: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
As is defined by the constitution, congress does not precede it. Promote, not provide.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:19 PM
 
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Folks Geechie has popped up in several threads I have been in before. There is nothing to be gained from speaking to him. His posts are devious, ignorant, and sometimes just plain stupid. Place him on ignore and let the other more valid postings take precedence. Don't feed idiots, you eventually become one for doing so.

BTW Geechie, welcome to ignore.
NCJRS Abstract - National Criminal Justice Reference Service


"Abstract: Critics have contended that the news media sensationalizes crime stories to the point of causing exaggerated fears among the public and knee-jerk reactions among public policy makers. The article offers an analysis of this contention by focusing on four main complaints against the media in terms of crime coverage. Among these complaints is the assertion that the media violates the privacy rights of crime victims and defendants; that the news media encourages individuals to commit new crimes by sensationalizing current and past crimes; that the news media promotes overreactions by policymakers; and that the news media provides the public with a misleading perception of crime in America. The author, who is a member of the news media, addresses each contention in turn, defending the right of the news media to report on crimes. The author does acknowledge that the media may have some hand in promoting knee-jerk reactions to crime among public policy makers, but asserts that the media is not responsible for how public policy makers will react to their crime reporting. Crime is a major public health issue, and as such, deserves media coverage along with education, health care, the economy, and other important issues. After making his argument that news media coverage of crime in America is not as irresponsible as critics contend, the author acknowledges that there is room for improvement."


Just posting facts, unlike this poster.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:22 PM
 
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Yet again,

Notice that the corporate types, and supporeters, CANNOT stay on Health Care, as they have nothing to say.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:23 PM
 
Location: Florida
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As is defined by the constitution, congress does not precede it. Promote, not provide.
As defined in the constitution: Provide.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare

You are referring to the Preamble, an introduction. Definition of preamble: preliminary introduction, usually to a formal document .

Or how about both: promote and provide? Even better. Thanks.
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:24 PM
 
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There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. Which is yours sir?
Simple: none.

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Old 07-24-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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We can argue about whether it is a right or what the Constitution says or not till the cows come home.

The way I see it there is unbalance in the system between health industry and people.We have some who believe that government takeover will fix it,we have some who believe that will make it worse and principle wise government run health care intrudes on liberty.

I kind of believe blame falls a little on both sides and the solution also.Those that promote government run health fail to admit that while they lay blame on corporate greed that politicians want for power in government is greed also.

Those that advocate total free unregulated markets refuse to admit that sometimes abuse of freedom occurs and that politicians can be bought to serve the interests of a corporation and that sometimes corporations will not care about their services or product only that they gain a profit and they don't have to compete when all have the ability to deny anybody they deem "high risk"..

We need to have a system where competition and freemarkets produce lower costs and better service for customers as much as gaining profit for a company but we also need to stop the ability of being able to deny coverage and skip out of paying that leaves many in spiraling debt otherwise government is going to have to fill this gap.If you don't want government takeover than you better loosen your belief that insurance companies should be free to do whatever they want when balance is not even between profit and service.

Just because someone gets sick it shouldn't cost them their lifetimes work.Whether you see it as a right or a privilage this cannot continue.We cannot have a system where if you develop a condition you either have a choice to become a slave to medical bills or die because if so people will choose option C which is to not become a slave to bills and not die and do what they have do to get better and forget about trying to pay.

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Old 07-24-2009, 02:34 PM
 
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You want heathcare? Then pay for it yourself! I dont think its fair to use taxpayer money to give free healthcare to people who dont work, or chose to do without it because they prefer doing drugs to bieng responsible. This is getting out of hand, whats next? Everyone should have a free car?

When did social security and medicare become a right?

You want retirement money pay for it yourself. You want medical coverage pay for it yourself?

Should you also include these two programs in your pay for it diatribe?

How about all the subsidies for farmers, diary workers, and tariffs etc, that are freebies?

You either want socialism, which we have, or you do not? Which is it?
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Old 07-24-2009, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara CA
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You want heathcare? Then pay for it yourself! I dont think its fair to use taxpayer money to give free healthcare to people who dont work, or chose to do without it because they prefer doing drugs to bieng responsible. This is getting out of hand, whats next? Everyone should have a free car?

Who do you think is paying for the health care on uninsured now? Maybe if we payed for heathcare for everyone those that put off going to a doctor because they do not have insurance will go in sooner or the ones that doctor offices won't see because they have no insurance will be seen. Then things like infections will be treated sooner when they are still inexpensive to treat. As it is now they wait and get dragged in on deaths door after sepsis has set in and then you are dealing with HUGE hospital bills and that the rest of us end up paying for.


I have worked in heathcare in a hospital for almost 30 yrs and believe me the people we see now are much sicker then when I began and often it is sepsis because they could not afford treatment when it would have been cheaper. They end up in ICU on life support for weeks, some live many die and in the end there is a huge unpaid hospital bill that as I said we all end up paying be it in taxes or the increase in our own medical insurance and costs, We do pay so don't kid yourself that any change will be more expensive as we do pay now. Wouldn't it make sense to pay for care in the early days of an illness when it would be cheaper?

I won't even hit on the fact that or emergency rooms are being misused by people that doctors will not see so where is it saving money there?

I hope you do not feel if you can not afford medical care that you should then be left to die ?
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