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I don't have an issue with everyone having insurance IF THEY WANT IT!
The current bill MANDATES insurance for everyone.
Do you think you, or the president, or congress, has the right to FORCE people to pay for something even if they feel they don't need it?
****FALSE. It does not MANDATE insurance for everyone. But make it accessible and affordable for EVERYONE. So if you want Insurance, even if you make min. wage at Walmart, you can. The problem isn't that people DON'T want insurance, it's that it is not affordable. We pay for those folks anyway. It's call the Emergency Room.
There is no perfect health care system. Costs are increasingly exponentially, but especially in the United States. The only statistic that you really need to pay attention to is that 7% of health dollars in Canada go towards administration, while 31% in the US do. How do you explain that one, Republicans? Is that really defensible? The Democrats need to capitalize on that statistic - think of a commercial where a patient hands a $100 bill to a doctor, only to have a paper-pusher intercept it and rip off a third of it. So the patient has to cough up another $30. That's the key statistic.
It is interesting to note that the Canadian governmental (single payer) system is more efficient in terms of administration costs that the private U.S. systems. We often hear how inefficient government is and the risk of increasing the size of government (that it will turn into an out of control monster). There is so much waste in the U.S. system that it is silly. If you took control of that waste you could cover everybody in the U.S. without increasing the costs to those who are already insured.
Health care should also cover only catastrophic situations beyond our control. The people who have low or no-deductable insurance are driving up prices for everyone else and helping to keep the uninsured uninsured. Deductables should be on a sliding scale across the board, based on income.
Ok, you had me till this ... we are a family of 5, we get yearly checkups and with 3 kids under the age of 10 ... well, if we only were covered for catastophic things (and who will define catastrophic ... ever wake up to a febrile seizure in a 3 year old? They're not necessarily life threatening, but I don't want to pay for the ER visit in full because someone deems them non-catastrophic ... been there, done that).
We have a 2K deductible through my husband's work health plan. We burn through that 2K in 6 months ... again, 3 kids ... my physicals and mammograms, his physicals, kids physicals and illnesses and injuries (my 9 year old is nursing a broken arm that requires us to visit a speicalized children's hosptial) ... you get the picture. We take care of ourselves as well we should .. an ounce of prevention! Are any of our health issues catastrophic? Well, it depends on who defines it. After we burn through the 2K, our insurance kicks into 80/20 mode ... we have to pay 20%.
So while I agree with you for the most part, the catastrophic care only is off the mark for most families. And you did hit the issue on the head with insurance companies piggy ways ... we're on the same page!!!!
It is interesting to note that the Canadian governmental (single payer) system is more efficient in terms of administration costs that the private U.S. systems. We often hear how inefficient government is and the risk of increasing the size of government (that it will turn into an out of control monster). There is so much waste in the U.S. system that it is silly. If you took control of that waste you could cover everybody in the U.S. without increasing the costs to those who are already insured.
See, this is what I've been whining about since day 1 and now it seems that the media is picking up on it. Woo hoooo!!!!
****FALSE. It does not MANDATE insurance for everyone. But make it accessible and affordable for EVERYONE. So if you want Insurance, even if you make min. wage at Walmart, you can. The problem isn't that people DON'T want insurance, it's that it is not affordable. We pay for those folks anyway. It's call the Emergency Room.
Wal-Mart is actually praying each and everyday that gov't run healthcare comes to fruition!
****FALSE. It does not MANDATE insurance for everyone. But make it accessible and affordable for EVERYONE. So if you want Insurance, even if you make min. wage at Walmart, you can. The problem isn't that people DON'T want insurance, it's that it is not affordable. We pay for those folks anyway. It's call the Emergency Room.
You might want to take a look at Title IV of the bill, which is headed "Amendments to the Internal Revenue Code of 1986". I believe it starts on page 167. (As an aside, I wonder how many of those supporting this bill have read that far.)
When you get there, you'll find this nifty little subheading;
Quote:
SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.
An excerpt from section 401;
Quote:
TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
1 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over
(2) the amount of gross income specified insection 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
So now the government is going to tell us what is acceptable health care, and is going to tax us if we don't purchase health care that it deems acceptable.
What country is this?
Last edited by Bill Keegan; 07-27-2009 at 08:43 AM..
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So now the government is going to tell us what is acceptable health care, and is going to tax us if we don't purchase health care that it deems acceptable.
What country is this?
Paying taxes is not a bad thing so long as you get value for your money.
Huge profits by the FOR-PROFIT (not Health) Insurance business.
Americans, even those WITH HEALTH INSURANCE going broke, because of disease or accidents.
THAT is what Republicans WANT!
They want to destroy everyone but the wealthy who they worship as their god.
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