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Old 07-26-2009, 11:08 AM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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Nothing like scaring the living hell out of gullible little children, so they take part in a propaganda commercial to further your ideological or financial agenda.
how about this terrorist ad?


YouTube - Global Warming commercial.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:16 AM
 
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When ice melts in your glass of water, does it overflow the top of the glass?
yeah nice bandwagon hopping, but what about the floating ice on top? and we aint talking you ice tea cups either
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:24 AM
 
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wow! There's a lot of scientists using that cup of water theory hunh?
It is an analogy. I have actually never heard that before, but serves its purpose.

The point is this-

1. One must ask the question- is it warming or cooling?

2. One must have a sufficient experimental design and DATA to answer the question.

3. The study design, methods and statistics must be valid

4. If a "problem" is identifed as a real issue above, then the question becomes can we correct it, and if so, how so?

5. Acting in the absence of conclusive proof and insufficient data may be doing exactly the opposite of what we need. "Acting" may do nothing at all. We really do not know conclusively either issue at this time.

There is a saying in medicine- "Just don't do something, stand there". I think unless you know there is a real problem and know what can solve it, no action is better than doing the wrong thing.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:26 AM
 
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I had a post earlier in this thread that also showed a global view...
Near-record global warmth recorded in June - USATODAY.com
Yes, this is more of an education issue than anything else.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Every year, just like clockwork, people forget how hot it was last summer and think this summer is the hottest ever. Personally, having been raised in a very hot area, all the air conditioning exaggerates the heat when you are in between your house, car, and shopping. My city used to be farms and citrus groves, that is totally gone now and the trees have been cut down, the irrigation stopped and we have nothing but wall to wall cement buildings and asphalt that give off an enormous amount of heat during the night and actually carried over to the next day. I note that everytime a storm approaches and rain is predicted, it doesn't rain, it actually avoids the entire city.
Cities spreading out around the country is what has been the direct cause behind some of the erroneous temperature reading that the hoaxers rely on. Once wooded areas where temperatures were recorded have become the middle of a city, with blacktop parking lots and air conditioning heat exhaust vents, which have been artificially raising the recorded temperatures.

Then in the 1990s they were relying on oceanic temps recorded by volunteers in the shipping industry, who would record ocean temps as they crisscrossed the oceans. Turns out some of the people were measuring temps from the water inlets as they flowed past heat generating engine cooling ducts, and recorded artificially raised ocean temps.

Unlike you location, mine has been static, no new developments that would modify the local temperature, and we have actually been experiencing three years of 10 degree below normal year round temps.

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Old 07-26-2009, 11:27 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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yeah nice bandwagon hopping, but what about the floating ice on top? and we aint talking you ice tea cups either

The weight of the ice, displaces the equal weight of liquid water, a small portion of ice will always be visible on the surface.......But they teach this stuff in like the second or third grade, at least when I went to school. No telling what kind of brainwashing they're doing these days, given your example of product.

Ice tea cups or oceans, the laws of physics are the laws of physics, even algore cant break those......
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:31 AM
 
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It has to do with hypocrisy, if you Google that name you'll find he's apparently a big renewable energy supporter. Assuming sanrene is correct a supporter of Al Gore another hypocrite who lives in house that in one month consumes as much energy that the average household in the US consumes in an entire year.

When Al Gore says "we need to make sacrifices" he actually means "You need to make sacrifices". By his very actions he's not interested in the environment but instead lining his pockets.
If you were waiting for Al Gore to follow through on his promise to make his Nashville, TN home a model "green" home, wait no more.
Here it is - the new rooftop of Al Gore's house with spanking new solar panels


In an Associated Press interview, Gore responded to the phony attacks levelled against him a few months ago by a conservative think tank in Tennessee for consuming too much energy

Truth & Progress:: Al Gore's "Green" Home Almost Ready. Is He? (http://www.truthandprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=383 - broken link)
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:33 AM
 
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The weight of the ice, displaces the equal weight of liquid water, a small portion of ice will always be visible on the surface.......But they teach this stuff in like the second or third grade, at least when I went to school. No telling what kind of brainwashing they're doing these days, given your example of product.

Ice tea cups or oceans, the laws of physics are the laws of physics, even algore cant break those......
unfortunately for your science lesson, water actually expands as it freezes, so does it make it more buoyant or less?

be that as it may, we are talking thousands of km of ice, so dont cry into your icetea cups, they might overspill
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:36 AM
 
Location: here.
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what does Temp in local cities around the US have to do with the rising temp of the oceans, disappearance of the ozone and melting of the ice caps
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:38 AM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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unfortunately for your science lesson, water actually expands as it freezes,

And?...... so it contracts (shrinks) when it thaws. Either way, you are left with the same amount of water that was there when you started the freeze/thaw process. So your point is...what?

you do know you really arent very good at "baffling with B.s." dont you? Not much better than algore.....
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