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Old 07-29-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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Well, "mooch" is a pretty strong word to use.

Are we mooches?

My DH and I work full-time as self-employed people. We pay our own SS, fund our own retirement savings, and are paying over $7000 a year for our personal health coverage--with a $2500 deductible for each of us...in these current hard times with business slow, we're paying one-third of our gross income for health insurance.

Are we mooches?

We're hanging on by the skin of our teeth and don't know how much longer we'll have to choose between food and health insurance. This is the reality of many self-employed these days.

So far we're both healthy, make efforts to stay that way, and make no insurance claims other than a yearly physical, which is covered.

Don't you find this amount of premium kind of ridiculous? Could you afford to pay it out of your pocket?

Many, many un-insureds are not mooches in any sense of the word, they're hard-working folks just like you who can't afford the most basic health coverage, even with high deductibles...

A little compassion might be in order...
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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This plan does nothing to help the working poor or the unemployed get health care. It is a sham and a shell game only designed to help more well-connected profit from the suffering of others. The real solution would involve legal system reform, deregulation of medicine, standardization of medical records and a national database for medical information and protocols. Nothing will change here.
One thing will change. Taxes for the nation’s wealthiest persons will go up.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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Well, "mooch" is a pretty strong word to use.

Are we mooches?

My DH and I work full-time as self-employed people. We pay our own SS, fund our own retirement savings, and are paying over $7000 a year for our personal health coverage--with a $2500 deductible for each of us...in these current hard times with business slow, we're paying one-third of our gross income for health insurance.

Are we mooches?

We're hanging on by the skin of our teeth and don't know how much longer we'll have to choose between food and health insurance. This is the reality of many self-employed these days.

So far we're both healthy, make efforts to stay that way, and make no insurance claims other than a yearly physical, which is covered.

Don't you find this amount of premium kind of ridiculous? Could you afford to pay it out of your pocket?

Many, many un-insureds are not mooches in any sense of the word, they're hard-working folks just like you who can't afford the most basic health coverage, even with high deductibles...

A little compassion might be in order...

I agree it time for universal health care. I recall not having any coverage in college and my employer would not offer any. Let the upper class pay for outsourcing our jobs and taking away our healthcare. All this talk is only meant to scare us because those who have a great deal of wealth are worried that the market will fall again.
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Old 07-29-2009, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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People should be given lower rates for staying healthy, losing weight, quitting smoking. How can many afford the cost of insurance ? A lot of people never go to a doctor at all, because they don't get sick. I don't want to be forced to pay for a drug plan. I will buy what I need when I need it.
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Old 07-29-2009, 06:07 PM
 
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People should be given lower rates for staying healthy, losing weight, quitting smoking. How can many afford the cost of insurance ? A lot of people never go to a doctor at all, because they don't get sick. I don't want to be forced to pay for a drug plan. I will buy what I need when I need it.

Yeah ... and people who don't have kids should not have to pay school tax. Lets face it, our taxes pay for lots of things we never use or don't need. So why not health care?
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Old 07-30-2009, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Western, Colorado
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Healthcare should not be a priveledge for the wealthy, it should be a right.
Please show us where in the US Constitution it defines heath care as a right.

Last I checked, it mentioned "promoting" the general welfare; not provide.
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Old 07-30-2009, 09:29 AM
 
Location: ATL suburb
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People should be given lower rates for staying healthy, losing weight, quitting smoking. How can many afford the cost of insurance ? A lot of people never go to a doctor at all, because they don't get sick. I don't want to be forced to pay for a drug plan. I will buy what I need when I need it.
While I can understand that sentiment, what do we do about those who are "unhealthy" through no fault of their own, ie the baby born with a heart defect? Should the parents pay higher rates? At what point is this higher rate unaffordable? We're not talking about a deadbeat paying a 30% rate on his credit card. If the parent can't afford the higher rate, what happens then?

As part of a middle class family, I would pay a higher rate if I knew I had to use medical resources more regularly than the average person. But I can afford it. What about those who work full time and are barely getting by?

That's what insurance if for: just in case sh*t happens. I'm not exactly jumping for joy for paying more on my car insurance just in case another driver is uninsured.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:39 PM
 
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While I can understand that sentiment, what do we do about those who are "unhealthy" through no fault of their own, ie the baby born with a heart defect? Should the parents pay higher rates? At what point is this higher rate unaffordable? We're not talking about a deadbeat paying a 30% rate on his credit card. If the parent can't afford the higher rate, what happens then?

As part of a middle class family, I would pay a higher rate if I knew I had to use medical resources more regularly than the average person. But I can afford it. What about those who work full time and are barely getting by?

That's what insurance if for: just in case sh*t happens. I'm not exactly jumping for joy for paying more on my car insurance just in case another driver is uninsured.
You make some very good points here!
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