U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Do you think a completely tax free society could work?
Yes, let people decide where their money goes. 27 39.13%
No, too much privatization. 42 60.87%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 07-30-2009, 11:24 PM
 
4,474 posts, read 5,238,991 times
Reputation: 731

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_Ryder View Post
Last I checked, more than half the food eaten in the US came from CA. As much as some may not like it, CA is indeed a US state. The US exports nearly as much if not more food than it consumes.

An interesting fact about electronics: Though the VCR was invented in the US, not a single model has ever been mass produced in the US. We do get a significant amount of consumer electronics from Mexico but the bulk is made in Pacific rim countries. I think the last TVs made in the US were Curtis Mathes who went belly-up about 15 years ago.

I haven't seen a sneaker made in the US for over 20 years but there are many high end dress shoes and work boots still made here. Tevas used to be made in the US but they seem to be made in China now.

Barbie...no clue.

I'm all for heavy tariffs on imports. It would equalize the massive trade imbalance and might encourage more manufacturing in the US. That "Service Economy" drivel doesn't seem to working out all that well.
That wasn't meant as an all inclusive, or even accurate, list of course.

If that had been my intentions, I would've at least spent a few minutes surfing google for an accurate list of exports and imports. It was only intended to urge thought on the matter.

I also support bringing jobs back to the US. I've seen too many local factories close and move operations to Mexico. However, I think we can agree that suddenly slapping huge tarrifs on imports, from foriegn OR American outsourced manufacturies, would be hazerdous to our economy.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-31-2009, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
90,346 posts, read 114,927,496 times
Reputation: 35920
Quote:
Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Then the states would pay for it....NOT the fedgov.
There is very little federal money going towards education, and taxes are taxes, no matter who levies them.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 07:06 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
19,556 posts, read 21,047,309 times
Reputation: 2518
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katiana View Post
There is very little federal money going towards education, and taxes are taxes, no matter who levies them.
No.....YOU have much more control over how your taxes are spent and raised by your state than you do by a government located thousands of miles away.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 07:09 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
19,556 posts, read 21,047,309 times
Reputation: 2518
Quote:
Originally Posted by AxisMundi View Post

I also support bringing jobs back to the US. I've seen too many local factories close and move operations to Mexico. However, I think we can agree that suddenly slapping huge tarrifs on imports, from foriegn OR American outsourced manufacturies, would be hazerdous to our economy.
Support bringing jobs back all you want,it will never happen as long as it is cheaper to manufacture goods overseas.


And I do not think we all agree that placing tariffs on imported goods would be hazardous.

It is kind of funny you think this would be dangerous considering the shambles our economy is in RIGHT now.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 10:13 AM
 
4,474 posts, read 5,238,991 times
Reputation: 731
Quote:
Originally Posted by oz in SC View Post
Support bringing jobs back all you want,it will never happen as long as it is cheaper to manufacture goods overseas.


And I do not think we all agree that placing tariffs on imported goods would be hazardous.

It is kind of funny you think this would be dangerous considering the shambles our economy is in RIGHT now.
Exactly my point.

A hysterical reaction, such as slamming heavy terriffs in place suddenly, would be certain to push our teetering economy over the edge as companies found their source of manufacture suddenly cut off.

Many companies would fold.

Easing tarriffs into place with a clearly outlined agenda would allow companies to slowly ease production back into the US, absorbing the costs of locating manufacturies here, and the higher cost of labor, instead of scrambling frantically attempting to secure corperate loans and other sources of money (more bail-outs anyone?).

Part of the concerns facing this Nation today are hysterical quick fixes with little to no thought behind the consequences.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 12:37 PM
 
4,126 posts, read 4,878,563 times
Reputation: 1621
Quote:
Originally Posted by AxisMundi View Post
Exactly my point.

A hysterical reaction, such as slamming heavy terriffs in place suddenly, would be certain to push our teetering economy over the edge as companies found their source of manufacture suddenly cut off.

Many companies would fold.

Easing tarriffs into place with a clearly outlined agenda would allow companies to slowly ease production back into the US, absorbing the costs of locating manufacturies here, and the higher cost of labor, instead of scrambling frantically attempting to secure corperate loans and other sources of money (more bail-outs anyone?).

Part of the concerns facing this Nation today are hysterical quick fixes with little to no thought behind the consequences.
It would take months just to get the ball rolling on imposing tariffs and years to implement even if it were considered our first priority. Those companies would have plenty of time to adjust. This is the US government we're talking about. It just doesn't move fast enough to take any manufacturers by surprize.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 12:41 PM
 
12,867 posts, read 14,283,325 times
Reputation: 4453
Quote:
Originally Posted by AxisMundi View Post
That wasn't meant as an all inclusive, or even accurate, list of course.

If that had been my intentions, I would've at least spent a few minutes surfing google for an accurate list of exports and imports. It was only intended to urge thought on the matter.

I also support bringing jobs back to the US. I've seen too many local factories close and move operations to Mexico. However, I think we can agree that suddenly slapping huge tarrifs on imports, from foriegn OR American outsourced manufacturies, would be hazerdous to our economy.
i think not slapping tariffs on imports would be more hazardous to our economy. if people buy american, real jobs will be created!
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
17,234 posts, read 12,393,853 times
Reputation: 14213
Before 1935, and the socialist revolution, limited taxation was the rule, not the exception. Before 1900, most of the infrastructure was privately owned and operated, for profit. (EX: Toll roads, railroads, canals, ferries, bridges).

The 20th century became the "Socialist" century, with the government taking over utilities and infrastructure, step by step.

Before 1910, the (federal) tax rate per capita was under 1%, in contrast with 2009, where the (federal) tax rate per capita is over 20%.

The question we should consider:
Who benefits most?
The worker who spends 1/5 of his life working for the benefit of another?
Or the taker, who benefits from the worker?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...(United_States)
(Federal budget shows that interest, income transfer and socialist administration overhead takes over 62%.)

Quote:
Originally Posted by denison View Post
Ok, I've been mulling this over in my mind. First of all everyone is welcome to contribute to this thread. Second of all I'm not an economist, so a lot of people here will know more about this subject than me.

When I talk about tax free society, I mean completely:

-No income tax
-No sales tax
-No capital gains tax
-No property tax
-No inheritance tax etc....

The thinks that would drive this society:
-Philanthropy
-Charity/Charitable organization(instead of welfare/free social services)
-Capitalism/ Free trade/ Maximize competition

A society like this would have to have a small limited government. The government would not be an employer or collect taxes(no IRS) from people. If the people wanted new roads, better schools, better parks etc... they would get together raise the money, get the job done themselves. Firstly I think a society like this would have to be fully privatized. Private police(see article below), private healthcare, private schools, private prisons etc....

Benefits of Privatization:
- Private police - higher salary, no immunity like government police
- Private healthcare - less rationing, better services
- Private schools - higher test scores than public school
- Private prisons - could use criminals as labor force to pay off their debt

In fact I think the only tax should be a "criminal tax". So really, any law abiding citizen would be living in a completely tax free society. People who commit misdemeanors could be taxed at 1-10% for 1 - 5 yrs for punishment, or whatever rate you want to use. Harsher criminals(but not murders, rapist, pedos) could work on a prison labor force to work off their debt directly as punishment.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 01:30 PM
 
9,569 posts, read 10,213,464 times
Reputation: 2964
I didnt vote in the poll because, I dont think you can have too much privatization. but you must have taxes to fund the Military!
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-31-2009, 02:30 PM
 
4,474 posts, read 5,238,991 times
Reputation: 731
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe_Ryder View Post
It would take months just to get the ball rolling on imposing tariffs and years to implement even if it were considered our first priority. Those companies would have plenty of time to adjust. This is the US government we're talking about. It just doesn't move fast enough to take any manufacturers by surprize.
I can agree to that.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2022, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top