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It is probably true Obama was born in Hawaii, since I saw the birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper.
What is important to me is 100% loyalty to the United States. Our status being a natural born citizen is based upon the father...Obamas father was not an US citizen..his formative years were in Indonesia, he may have been adopted by another man while he lived there..he may have been a Muslim. He bowed to a Saudi king, we all saw it on video and photos.
I have doubts Obama is 100% loyal to the United States. That is the real problem we "birthers" have. I hope i am wrong..but at this point..he is or he isn't.
You know, it owuld be simpler to just locate ( US Govt.) his mother's passport and see if she was in Kenya for his birth....back in the old days, it was stamped. It also was when people were in a hospital for a while after giving birth... If Mom was in the USA when he was born, he is a citizen. I think that is easier to find than the birth cert..... a baby being brought into the country when he had never been here before would be suspect. Also, a record of birth would be w/US Embassy in Kenya if he was born there. Lots of different ways to trace it.
"You know, it owuld be simpler to just locate ( US Govt.) his mother's passport and see if she was in Kenya for his birth....back in the old days, it was stamped. It also was when people were in a hospital for a while after giving birth... If Mom was in the USA when he was born, he is a citizen. I think that is easier to find than the birth cert..... a baby being brought into the country when he had never been here before would be suspect. Also, a record of birth would be w/US Embassy in Kenya if he was born there. Lots of different ways to trace it."
there are reports a democratic operative hacked into the State department's passport files and deleted Obama's passport records..it was reported the hacker was after H. Clintons records but it was a ruse..the real objective was deleting Obamas files.
It is probably true Obama was born in Hawaii, since I saw the birth announcement in a Hawaii newspaper.
What is important to me is 100% loyalty to the United States. Our status being a natural born citizen is based upon the father
no it isn't. do i really have to dig up the code that has been posted about 800 times already that refutes this?
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...Obamas father was not an US citizen..
and he barely knew his father.
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his formative years were in Indonesia
so what? omg he lived in another country. what is this, the 17th century?
and he lived there from the ages of 6 to 10. that's hardly the bulk of his "formative years".
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he may have been adopted by another man while he lived there
again, so? and where is the proof?
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he may have been a Muslim.
again (x10), proof? he also may have been a catholic. he went to catholic school in indonesia after all!
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He bowed to a Saudi king, we all saw it on video and photos.
and so has george w. bush. obama is far from the first u.s. president to be respectful to/suck up to a saudi king and he won't be the last.
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I have doubts Obama is 100% loyal to the United States. That is the real problem we "birthers" have. I hope i am wrong..but at this point..he is or he isn't.
what would releasing his birth certificate prove about his loyalty to the united states?
if that's the issue, why throw in all these ludicrous claims that he was born in kenya or whatever? i'm sorry, i'm not buying it. you've just completely changed your argument. maybe you're just stringing me along for fun.
the issue that the birthers have is that they think he wasn't born in the u.s. period.
there are reports a democratic operative hacked into the State department's passport files and deleted Obama's passport records..it was reported the hacker was after H. Clintons records but it was a ruse..the real objective was deleting Obamas files.
wow! once again you speak with great confidence about something you could not possibly know!
you obviously know what people's intentions were, no matter what was "reported".
no files got deleted; they were just looked at a few times. so i guess the plot failed.
and hm, these employees of bush's state department were democrats? where'd you hear that?
I have a fear this country is headed for Civil War or a military coup..a future event may trigger it..the rhetoric is similar to the early 1860's...If the leftists, liberals, the majority of the news media, the Obama admin. continue down this path...America is a conservative country ..stop trying to make it socialist..
seriously, if you don't like obama, talk about his policies and why you don't like them. focusing on this silly urban legend stuff is just embarrassing, as is the hyperbole about how he's plotting to exterminate the elderly and institute communism.
i said the same thing to people who repeated that "gwb has an iq of 67" e-mail forward by the way.
I have a fear this country is headed for Civil War or a military coup..a future event may trigger it..the rhetoric is similar to the early 1860's...If the leftists, liberals, the majority of the news media, the Obama admin. continue down this path...America is a conservative country ..stop trying to make it socialist..
yet the american people elected a "socialist".
jesus christ, you lost an election. it happens. there will be another one in 4 years. the political spectrum in mainstream american politics is about thislong. the dude's not even trying to institute single-payer healthcare for chrissakes. in europe, he'd be considered right wing, yet they manage to get along without killing all their old people or collapsing their civilizations or starting civil wars. all this hysteria is just ridiculous.
but hey, at least you got to the root of why you buy into these conspiracy theories - you're scared of the president. you're entitled to your opinion, but spreading lies just because they bolster your side still isn't right.
yes and i admitted that i may be wrong, something that you have never done even as you contradict yourself left and right.
you stated that obama spent $1 million on lawyers. many posts later, you have still not said how you know that.
you stated the intentions and political affiliation of the people who looked at obama's (and mccain's) passport records. how do you know that?
you say that they tried to make it look like they were going for hillary clinton's passport info, but all reports say that that was an entirely separate incident. just another example of you knowing more than the news media and federal investigators?
if you asked, i could tell you where i heard that obama's original birth certificate was destroyed. you still haven't told me what the source of the okubo quote is even though i've asked you twice.
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