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Old 08-02-2009, 04:09 PM
 
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When Obama was born in 1961, there was no such thing as any Republic of Kenya. There was the protectorate of British East Africa. Furhteremore, the area the document alleges Obama was born, Mombassa, was a part of Zanzibar in 1961 and didn't become a part of Kenya until 1963. If this document were true, Obama would be a citizen of Tanzania and not Kenya.

Fake. And not a very well thought out one, either.
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:11 PM
 
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Yeah that was the point...



Thomas Jefferson's Birthright Law

An Act declaring who shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth (Virginia).

"Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all white persons born within the territory of the Commonwealth, and all who have resided therein two years next before the passing of this act; and all who shall hereafter migrate into the same, other than alien enemies, and shall, before any Court of Record, give satisfactory proof, by their oath or affirmation, that they intend to reside therein; and moreover, shall give assurance of fidelity to the Commonwealth; and all infants, whenever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth, or who migrate hither, their father, if living, or otherwise, their mother becoming a citizen, or who migrate hither without father or mother, shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth until they relinquish that character, in manner as hereinafter expressed (expatriation); and all others not being citizens of any of the United States of America, shall be deemed aliens."






"whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth,"
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:13 PM
 
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Forget it. It's over. He was born in Hawaii and anyone who believes otherwise is officially a nut job.
If its not the Birthers it's the Soylent Greeners
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:14 PM
 
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well he's not white so that settles that. jefferson clearly says there that only white people can be citizens* good show, birthers!

in any case, that's about virginia, not the united states.

still waiting for answers to my questions.


*of virginia
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:17 PM
 
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Thomas Jefferson's Birthright Law

An Act declaring who shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth (Virginia).

"Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all white persons born within the territory of the Commonwealth, and all who have resided therein two years next before the passing of this act; and all who shall hereafter migrate into the same, other than alien enemies, and shall, before any Court of Record, give satisfactory proof, by their oath or affirmation, that they intend to reside therein; and moreover, shall give assurance of fidelity to the Commonwealth; and all infants, whenever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth, or who migrate hither, their father, if living, or otherwise, their mother becoming a citizen, or who migrate hither without father or mother, shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth until they relinquish that character, in manner as hereinafter expressed (expatriation); and all others not being citizens of any of the United States of America, shall be deemed aliens."






"whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth,"
US Code Title 8 Section 1401 is the up to date current law on who is a natural born citizen.
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:21 PM
 
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Fake Obama Kenya birth certificate?

1) The photograph has three resolutions embedded. The highest resolution is for the paper. The second highest resolution is the fabric background. The lowest resolution is the text.

2) Mis-spelled the name of the village that Obama’s father was born in as “Kanyadhinng” instead of Kanyadhiang”.

3) Gave the age of Obama’s father as “26”. He was born in 1936 and thus could not have been older than “25”.

4) The certificate number is given as “47,044” which is remarkable considering that Barack Hussein Obama was 47 years old when he was sworn in as the 44th president of the United States.

5) Most damning of all, the font used is Schmutz, which was invented in 1995”.
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:22 PM
 
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Thomas Jefferson's Birthright Law

An Act declaring who shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth (Virginia).

"Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all white persons born within the territory of the Commonwealth, and all who have resided therein two years next before the passing of this act; and all who shall hereafter migrate into the same, other than alien enemies, and shall, before any Court of Record, give satisfactory proof, by their oath or affirmation, that they intend to reside therein; and moreover, shall give assurance of fidelity to the Commonwealth; and all infants, whenever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth, or who migrate hither, their father, if living, or otherwise, their mother becoming a citizen, or who migrate hither without father or mother, shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth until they relinquish that character, in manner as hereinafter expressed (expatriation); and all others not being citizens of any of the United States of America, shall be deemed aliens."






"whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth,"
Please wake up, Rip Van Winkle. NOW!
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:24 PM
 
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Its a shame fake BC from kenya dont hold any water in our court system
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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Natural-Born Citizen Defined

One universal point most all early publicists agreed on was natural-born citizen must mean one who is a citizen by no act of law.

If a person owes their citizenship to some act of law (naturalization for example), they cannot be considered a natural-born citizen.

This leads us to defining natural-born citizen under the laws of nature - laws the founders recognized and embraced.


Under the laws of nature, every child born requires no act of law to establish the fact the child inherits through nature his/her father’s citizenship as well as his name (or even his property) through birth.

This law of nature is also recognized by law of nations. Sen. Howard said the citizenship clause under the Fourteenth Amendment was by virtue of “natural law and national law.”



The advantages of Natural Law is competing allegiances between nations are avoided, or at least with those nations whose custom is to not make citizens of other countries citizens without their consent. Any alternations or conflicts due to a child’s natural citizenship are strictly a creature of local municipal law.

In the year 1866, the United States for the first time adopted a local municipal law under Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes that read: “All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed, are declared to be citizens of the United States.
Rep. John A. Bingham commenting on Section 1992 said it means “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.” (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:25 PM
 
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Thomas Jefferson's Birthright Law

An Act declaring who shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth (Virginia).

"Be it enacted by the General Assembly, That all white persons born within the territory of the Commonwealth, and all who have resided therein two years next before the passing of this act; and all who shall hereafter migrate into the same, other than alien enemies, and shall, before any Court of Record, give satisfactory proof, by their oath or affirmation, that they intend to reside therein; and moreover, shall give assurance of fidelity to the Commonwealth; and all infants, whenever born, whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth, or who migrate hither, their father, if living, or otherwise, their mother becoming a citizen, or who migrate hither without father or mother, shall be deemed citizens of this Commonwealth until they relinquish that character, in manner as hereinafter expressed (expatriation); and all others not being citizens of any of the United States of America, shall be deemed aliens."






"whose father, if living, or otherwise, whose mother was a citizen at the time of their birth,"
FindLaw: U.S. Constitution: Fourteenth Amendment

[SIZE=+1]Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.[/SIZE]
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