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Last week, a counterfeit document purporting to be Obama's Kenyan birth certificate made the rounds of the Internet, but was quickly determined to be fraudulent. The new document released by Taitz bears none of the obvious traits of a hoax.
The United States recognized Kenya when it gained its independence on December 12, 1963.
On December 10, 1963, U.S. Secretary of the Interior Stewart Udall, Personal Representative of the President with the rank of Special Ambassador, delivered a message from President John F. Kennedy to Kenyan Prime Minister Jomo Kenyatta in which Kennedy congratulated Kenya on its independence.
It is true that Kenya declared independence on Dec 12, 1963. Therefore coinage would indeed reflect that the country gained its independence from 1963.
HOWEVER it did not declare itself a republic until Dec 12, 1964. Between those dates Kenya called itself the "Dominion of Kenya", not "the Republic of Kenya". During that time the titular head of state of Kenya (similar to Canada and Australia to this day) was still Queen Elizabeth II even though it was now an indepedent country. No official documents could have listed Kenya as the "Republic of Kenya" until she was formally deposed as head of state. That is why to this day, Canada and Australia are not republics.
A birth certificate dated Feb 17, 1964 would therefore not list the name of the country as "Republic of Kenya" but instead would have listed it as "Dominion of Kenya".
The above facts are quite easy to verify.
Last edited by sonoranrat; 08-03-2009 at 04:17 AM..
I belive the easiest way to come to a conclusion whether the BC *might* be legitimate would be to produce another from the same date or there abouts. Haven't seen that from either side of this debate and the only mention of it I've seen was from the original article posted where they had obtained one and compared it.
Motion For Rogatory Discovery To Authenticate Kenyan Birth Certificate Of Barack Hussein Obama
August 2nd, 2009
8:09-cv-00082-DOC-AN Ambassador Alan Keyes PhD, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al (ANx), DISCOVERY, MANADR
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
Notice of Electronic Filing
The following transaction was entered by Taitz, Orly on 8/1/2009 at 10:08 PM PDT and filed on 8/1/2009 Case Name: Ambassador Alan Keyes PhD, et al v. Barack Hussein Obama, et al Case Number: 8:09-cv-82 Filer: Alan Keyes PhD Document Number: 34 Docket Text: NOTICE OF MOTION AND MOTION to Expedite authentication, MOTION for Issuance of Letters Rogatory for authenticity of Kenyan birth certificate filed by Plaintiff Alan Keyes PhD. (Attachments: # (1) Appendix Photocopy of Obamaâ¤s birth certificate from Kenya)(Taitz, Orly) 8:09-cv-82 Notice has been electronically mailed to: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA david.dejute@usdoj.gov Orly Taitz dr_taitz@yahoo.com 8:09-cv-82 Notice has been delivered by First Class U. S. Mail or by fax to: : The following document(s) are associated with this transaction: Document description:
Dr. Orly Taitz Attorney-at-Law Orly Taitz Law Offices 26302 La Paz, Suite 211 Mission Viejo, California 92691 Telephone: (949) 683-5411 E-Mail: dr_taitz@yahoo.com UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE CENTRAL DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA SANTA ANA (SOUTHERN) DIVISION Captain Pamela Barnett, Lt. Colonel Richard Norton Bauerbach Captain Robin D. Biron Colonel John D. Blair, Mr. David L. Bosley, Ms. Loretta G. Bosley, Captain Harry G. Butler, Representative Glenn Casada, Tennessee Jennifer Leah Clark, Representive Timothy Comerford, NH Charles Crusemire, Representative Cynthia Davis, Missouri Civil Action No.: Chief Warrant O. Thomas S. Davidson SACV09-00082-DOC (Anx) Matthew Michael Edwards, TRIAL-BY-JURY Lt. Jason Freese, DEMANDED Mr. Kurt C. Fuqua, Officer Clint Grimes, Representative Casey Guernsey, Missouri Julliett Ireland, D. Andrew Johnson, Israel D. Jones, Timothy Jones, Alan Keyes, Ph.D., Commander David Fullmer LaRoque, Gail Lightfoot, Lita M. Lott, Major David Grant Mosby, MSGT Steven Kay Neuenschwander, Representative Frank Niceley, Tennessee Retired Senator Jerry Oâ¤Neil, Montana, SFC E7 Robert Lee Perry , Representative Larry Rappaport, NH Colonel Harry Riley, Sergeant Jeffrey Wayne Rosner, MSGT Jeffrey Schwilk, Captain David Smithey, Lt. Commander John Bruce Steidel, Cmdr. Douglas Earl Stoeppelwerth Thomas J Taylor, Representative Eric Swafford, Tennessee Captain Neil B. Turner, Richard E. Venable, LCDR Jeff Graham Winthrope, and Lt. Colonel Mark Wriggle,
Plaintiffs, v.
Barack Hussein Obama, Michelle L.R. Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State, Robert M. Gates, Secretary of Defense, Joseph R. Biden, Vice-President and President of the Senate, Defendants. SPECIAL MOTION FOR LEAVE TO CONDUCT PRE-RULE 26(f) DISCOVERY TO DEFENDANT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and CERTAIN NON-PARTY WITNESSES TO PERPETUATE TESTIMONY, PRESERVE EVIDENCE, and to TRANSMIT LETTERS ROGATORY PURSUANT to 28 U.S.C. 1781(a)(2)-(b)(2)
The undersigned counsel for Plaintiffs has acquired possession of a color copy of one certain document (attached as Exhibit A to this motion), regarding which there are no ready means of authentication except by recovery of the original document. As should be apparent from the nature and content of the document, if authenticated, and shown to be genuine, the contents of this document will significantly narrow and shorten the discovery and pre-trial litigation period necessary in this case, and might lead to an early resolution by settlement or transfer of these proceedings to the United States House of Representatives and Senate according the procedures outlined in the Constitution.
It is also apparent (and hearsay evidence available to Plaintiffs⤠counsel aggravates her concerns) that political pressure may be brought to bear to destroy all relevant evidence, whether such evidence exists within or outside the borders of the United States of America. It would appear to the undersigned counsel that either 28 U.S.C. 1781(a)(2) or 28 U.S.C. 1782(b)(2) or some combination of these statutory authorizations outlines the procedures by which to transmit letters rogatory and other requests to the proper authorities abroad in Kenya and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
For two classes of evidence at issue here, namely all requests for relevant passport materials and other documents existing within the United States of America, as well as all requests to be made through diplomatic channels to foreign tribunals, Defendant HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON is the Secretary of State of the United States of America, and accordingly, Secretary Clinton is the first and primary proper target of letters rogatory to be submitted pursuant to 28 U.S.C. 1781(a)(2).
FIRST, Plaintiffs pray that this court authorize Plaintiffs to issue a special subpoena for deposition duces tecum to Secretary HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON be cited to appear within 21 days pursuant to (or in the letter and spirit of) Rule 27 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (even though this action has been filed and served, many months will pass before the Rule 26(f) Conference can be held to plan for discovery among the parties). The purpose of Rule 27, even though designed for pre-filing discovery, is fulfilled and relevant here, in that some (above-noted) hearsay evidence exists that an individual involved in the examination of passport files at the United States Department of State relating to and involving certain 2008 Presidential candidates may have been killed in relation to such inquiry. Last year it was announced by former secretary of State Candoleeza Rice that there was tampering with the passport records of three major presidential candidates and it was investigated by the inspector general. Lt. Querl Harris was one of the suspects in passport tampering scandal. Washington post has announced that he was cooperating with the FBI and shortly thereafter he was found dead, shot in the head, sitting in his parked car. This case remains open and unresolved. Under such circumstances, â¤perpetuation of evidenceâ¤ù becomes a more and more significant and time-sensitive issue.
SECOND, Plaintiffs pray that this court will send a request for letters rogatory pursuant to 28 U.S.C.1781(a)(2) to Defendant HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and other relevant officers in the United States Department of State to issue and transmit letters rogatory through proper diplomatic channels to the following foreign offices of public record and vital statistics:
For the Republic of Kenya: KENYA The Principal Civil Registrar Dept of Civil Registration Office of the President PO Box 49179 Nairobi Kenya
Tel: +44 (0) 845 603 7788 (8am to 8pm Monday to Friday. Saturday 9am to 4pm). THIRD and in the alternative, Plaintiffs pray that this court issue and transmit letters rogatory and requests directly to each of the above-and-foregoing listed foreign offices or agencies (or to the relevant tribunals with appropriate jurisdiction in the relevant countries) without the intervention or assistance of Defendant HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and/or other officers of the Department of State and/or the Department of Justice of the United States of America.
It is urgent that this request be prosecuted prior to the normal onset of discovery in this case, again, according to the general letter and spirit of Rule 27 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure regarding the perpetuation of testimony. There has never been a constitutional challenge to the identity and eligibility of a sitting President of the United States and so there are no direct precedents regarding this matter, but it is fairly safe to say that the potential consequences and fallout from this present filing being made public will be severe and significant, even though the undersigned counsel makes absolutely no pre-judgment or prediction regarding the actual authenticity of the document of which only a color copy taken by a camera at an odd angle, which is attached herein as Exhibit A.
PRAYER FOR RELIEF
For all of the above-and-foregoing reasons, Plaintiffs pray that this court will grant leave to the Plaintiffs to conduct the aforementioned special discovery immediately and prior to the normal Rule 26(f) Conference, pursuant to Rule 27 and all or some subset of the procedures authorized in 28 U.S.C. 1781(a)(2)-1781(b)(2). Although the urgency of this request cannot be overstated, 21 days is the normal time for service of such a request as this under Rule 27 of the Federal Rules, and the undersigned counsel reminds the Court that she will be out of the United States from August 2, 2009, to August 24, 2009. Respectfully submitted, Saturday, August 1, 2009 Lughnasadh/LaLunasa By:________________________________
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq. (SBN 223433) Attorney for the Plaintiffs 26302 La Paz, Suite 211 Mission Viejo, California 92691 Telephone (949) 683-5411 E-Mail: dr_taitz@yahoo.com
PROOF OF SERVICE I the undersigned Charles Edward Lincoln, being over the age of 18 and not a party to this case, so hereby declare under penalty of perjury that on this Saturday August 1, 2009, I provided facsimile copies of the Plaintiffs⤠above-and-foregoing SPECIAL MOTION FOR LEAVE TO CONDUCT PRE-RULE 26(f) DISCOVERY TO DEFENDANT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON and CERTAIN NON-PARTY WITNESSES TO PERPETUATE TESTIMONY, PRESERVE EVIDENCE, and TRANSMIT LETTERS ROGATORY PURSUANT to 28 U.S.C. 1781(a)(2)-(b)(2) to all of the following non-party attorneys whose names were affixed to the STATEMENT OF INTEREST who have appeared in this case in accordance with the local rules of the Central District of California, to wit: THOMAS P. Oâ¤BRIEN LEON W. WEIDMAN ROGER E. WEST DAVID A. DeJUTE FACSIMILE (213) 894-7819 DONE AND EXECUTED ON THIS 1st day of August, 2009
Exhibit A: Unauthenticated Color Photocopy of Certified Copy of Registration of Birth from the Coast Province of Kenya District of Mombasa District Registry Office Office of the Principal Registrar Republic of Kenya, issued on the 17th day of February, 19
Orly Taitz DDS Esq
26302 La Paz ste 211 Mission Viejo Ca 92691
29839 S. Margarita Pkwy Rancho Santa Margarita Ca 92688
ph. w 949-586-8110 c-949-683-5411 fax 949-586-2082
The document looks more authentic than the [only] one Obama has released.
LOL!, Well that settles it! What court wouldn't declare you the winner with that expert pronouncement!
Now, maybe you could be the ONLY repub who has the spine to tell me why you want Joe Biden to be President??????
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