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Do you think omission of all the facts equals a lie? Because that is what he does. He is a master manipulator and a pro at leaving things out or not telling the complete story to further his ideals that is not someone I can or would ever trust in real life why would I trust his film.
I am in no way saying that our health-care system is perfect and we do need change but I don't believe Moore knows anything about it. He is rich and never has to worry about health-care he feeds on people less fortunate them him to make money.
Oh lord.
Don't watch it.
It's insane to have a debate about a film with someone who hasn't seen it.
Michael Moore has made money in the last years because his films strike a cord and i personally tend to like folks who go up against the powers that be.
He didn't grow up with money.
I'm pretty sure that he was raised in a blue collar family in Detroit.
He's not an entitled a** h**** as many with money are.
Any documentary with a strong point of view will present that viewpoint in as skillful way as possible.
It's not necessarily manipulation.
I'm not easily manipulated and i'm relatively discerning.
You cannot watch that film without having your eyes opened, if only a little (unless you're just stubborn and arrogant and hardened as hell).
Oh moderator, why oh why did you move this thread to the P&OC forum??? : smack:
I second that.
This discussion would have a different tone if it had been left on the health and wellness forum where i initially posted it and i posted it there for a reason.
Maybe you could move it back where it wants to be.
I probably dislike John Stossel more than you dislike Michael Moore.
The guy is such a prick.
I've watched pieces of his over the last years and i find him shallow and not very sharp.
I couldn't view the u-tube clip ... too much traffic or my connection sucks.
I second that.
This discussion would have a different tone if it had been left on the health and wellness forum where i initially posted it and i posted it there for a reason.
Maybe you could move it back where it wants to be.
I wish I could....it *was* an intelligent discussion, even with opposing views. Unfortunately, one of the moderators saw fit to move it into this cesspool of rabid dogs.
Regardless of how you feel about Micahel Moore and / or where you stand politically, i highly recommend the documentary "Sicko".
And, if after watching this film you don't feel strongly that the U.S. needs universal health care, .... well, i'd be amazed and i'd truly wonder why.
The health care system in this nation is insane and bordering on evil.
The health insurance companies are (evil!).
It's the worst capitalist poison i've ever seen or been aware of.
Outrageous.
I felt sick and sad in my heart while watching this ... sad for the victims of this system and sad for this country.
Maybe the movie will wake people up...we have too much power and money in too few hands....and the Greed will bankrupt our country, in the end.
The thing that I loved about Sicko is that it showed how the doctors in England, France, Cuba, Canada LOVE their jobs because they are allowed to do what they've been trained to do. Our doctors have to fight with insurance company bureaucrats in order to do their jobs. The Republicans would have you think that people are dropping like flies, laying in the hospital hallways drooling on themselves with doctors having a smoke in countries with nationalized healthcare. The only thing that I was disappointed in was that he didn't focus on the fact that the doctors don't come out of med school saddled with hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt before they even see their first patient because not only do these countries believe that healthcare is a right, so is a free or heavily subsidized education. If we are going to reform how healthcare is administered, we also need to adress the education of our future physicians.
Michael Mooreon has always said that his "movies" are "scripted". NOTHING TO DO WITH FACTS!!
You might need to speak to a REAL doctor in Socialism Wonderland.
Did you seriously cite CUBA as an example?
Speaks volumes about those who think socialized heathcare is good!
England and France...hmmmm. I suggest you try to find AMERICANS who have sought healthcare in England/France. They'll tell you how DIRTY the hospitals are and how behind the times the doctors are.
You wanna wait two -three months for a simple diagnosis? Good luck to you.
You might want to speak to people who have relatives who LIVE in Socialism Wonderland. Shoot, give a Canadian a call...one who has crossed the border to the US to get "healthcare". Why would they do that if it's "all good" in socialism?
And please do not forget that should this ridiculous "social heathcare" package get passed...that those who pass it through, are millionaires. No MATTER the rise in private healthcare costs, THEY can afford the buffer. You will be waiting 24 hours in an ER to be seen and THEY will walk right past you, with a cut on their precious child's finger...while your kid has been hacking up a lung for 48 hours with a 104F fever. If their healthcare REALLY was on the line, they wouldn't be interested in the socialized BS for a second. Ask them...write them...what would Obama do if there was a 48 hour wait for one of his daughters to be seen? Let's not kid ourselves, his kid would be seen in 2 seconds. Today, tomorrow or 5 years from now. YOURS, however, would have to wait, and get sicker in the process.
It's all about getting votes and not paying any mind to the BROKEN social programs the jerks in office started and refuse to change or fix.
Stop fooling yourself.
Democrats depend on the uneducated/over-educated (not willing to work at all or not willing to work more than a 30 hour week) and the super bleeding hearts (guilty of making waaay too much for doing waaay too little...like Hollywood) to keep them in office.
Think for yourself when it comes to the healthcare of your family/kids.
Very mature and you think you are so above us in here. How dare the mod put this post in here. You are just p!$$ed because you did have everyone agreeing with you here.
Oh lord.
Don't watch it.
It's insane to have a debate about a film with someone who hasn't seen it.
Michael Moore has made money in the last years because his films strike a cord and i personally tend to like folks who go up against the powers that be.
He didn't grow up with money.
I'm pretty sure that he was raised in a blue collar family in Detroit.
He's not an entitled a** h**** as many with money are.
Any documentary with a strong point of view will present that viewpoint in as skillful way as possible.
It's not necessarily manipulation.
I'm not easily manipulated and i'm relatively discerning.
You cannot watch that film without having your eyes opened, if only a little (unless you're just stubborn and arrogant and hardened as hell).
Dude...did you miss the interviews/big show all over the place when Michael Maladjusted Moore STATED that his FILMS were jokes/parodys? As in "NOT REAL STUFF GOING ON"?
You "need" to watch his movie in order to know he's a jerk trying to make money as much as you "need" to actually have done research and be able to cite sources when it comes to the war in Iraq. Which MM never does.
I could give any liberal -hanger-on'er quotes from Clinton, Kennedy, Pelosi, etc. about how dangerous Sadamm was and the WMD's he had...but your ilk will poo-pooh them away and instead focus on some 400 pound loud mouth who counted on people as ignorant as he is to believe his made up movies to be FACT!!.
The man has made millions out of minions (baa-baaa!).
And he's LAUGHING all the way to the bank. At people who defend his idiocy, to the end.
Good luck with that.
Perhaps you should pay just as MUCH attention to all of THOSE PEOPLE who have torn his movies apart from stem to stern and pointed out all the fallicies in them??
Didn't think so. Easier to defend ANYTHING liberal, no matter how ridiculous.
How is Detroit these days? Gangs still an issue? Michael Moore says it's a beautiful city just waiting for the right people to move it. You believe that too, don't you?
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