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Be careful of the slippery road to socialism - I think this quote by Reagan is applicable:
"The doctor begins to lose freedom. . . . First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then doctors aren’t equally divided geographically. So a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, you can't live in that town. They already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it's only a short step to dictating where he will go. . . . All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do."
-- Ronald Reagan
Be careful of the slippery road to socialism - I think this quote by Reagan is applicable:
"The doctor begins to lose freedom. . . . First you decide that the doctor can have so many patients. They are equally divided among the various doctors by the government. But then doctors aren’t equally divided geographically. So a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him, you can't live in that town. They already have enough doctors. You have to go someplace else. And from here it's only a short step to dictating where he will go. . . . All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man's working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay. And pretty soon your son won't decide, when he's in school, where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do."
-- Ronald Reagan
First off you don't know what socialism is. Second of all you can thank Reagan for the mess that we are currently in...he was the one that made bankrupting our country with these defecits popular.
No, the others have insurance through their employers. Their employers provide health insurance and either pay part of the premium with the employee paying the other part or, the employer pays it all
Also, it appears you misunderstood the Fastcheck: It was referencing how many would convert to the Government subsidized health insurance if it became law. NOT how many are on it today
Your right...i did get that wrong...But your 90% covered by private insurance is still inflated.
47 million without insurance
at least 60 million receiving medicaid and medicare according to analysts
haven't found the amount that are on other government medical assistance.
There have been press releases - and I have provided links to some - If you want to see more, do a search for the legislation - you will find various reporting on it - CBS News, ABC News, Washington Times etc. I think even Fox News did report on it. And a number of the talk shows have had it
And, Rangel made a statement about the GOP having nothing yesterday on a CNN show
Then, there is this (w/no mention of the GOP plan - NONE)
Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, expressed exasperation over the Senate's slow action. "Sure, we wish we had more time. But the president has given us a deadline. We're working under it. Our committee has reported out a bill. We're waiting for the Senate to do -- what? Do anything," Rangel told CBS' "Face the Nation." "We have a deadline. We will meet it. The question is, what do we expect the other house to do? God only has the answer to that.\
The Democrats will not even MENTION the Republican bill.
Support for the Obama Bill is dropping - less than 50% of Americans now support the Democratic plan in the Congress.
After this month long recess - as word of the other plan is brought out to the American people - it is my opinion that the AMERICAN people will want to hear BOTH SIDES - BOTH PLANS and not merely one plan that the Democrats are CLEARLY trying to push down out throats.
Was Rangel asked about the GOP plan?
Did anyone ask "the Democrats" about the R bill?
You need to accept that if the Republicans want to get word out, they will. Dont blame the Democrats because the Republicans dont feel confident about this copycat, cut and paste thing.
Your right...i did get that wrong...But your 90% covered by private insurance is still inflated.
47 million without insurance
at least 60 million receiving medicaid and medicare according to analysts
haven't found the amount that are on other government medical assistance.
Finally...the 47 million figure includes roughly 10 million 'non-Americans'...lets exclude them from getting free healthcare.
It then includes over 16 million who earn $50,000 or more....not sure about you but they should be able to pay for their own insurance...
So that leaves 21 million uninsured,of that several million have gov. healthcare available to them but have not signed up....
I am sorry it seems there just isn't enough uninsured Americans to want to do this...unless this isn't about the uninsured people but about those who HAVE insurance and want others to pay for it???
How much are you willing to pay for your health insurance?
How much are you willing to pay for a doctors visit?
How much are you willing to pay for a hospital stay?
Actually Jojajn, I'm basing my "opinion" on being invited by a bi-partisan group of member of Congress - House and Senate - to participate in a citizens advisory group - with the idea that we would make recommendations to Congress (which we did this past January '09).
This group, of well over a 100 people, from all walks of life, from every part of the country, from various professions - blue and white collar - rich and poor and middle income etc - VOLUNTEERED and met numerous times over more than a 2 year period. There were people from the "left", from the "right" and from the Center. There were Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, those who do not subscribe to any political party.
We looked at premiums - by region (apples to apples). We looked at employers providing health insurance. We looked at the homeless populations. We looked at the under-insured. The uninsured. And so on.
We got reports on cost analysis - we got reports on what would happen if type of things.
And I want to stress - other than being provide meeting places and a few meals - we paid our own way.
As I noted - we submitted our recommendations to the MOC in Jan '09. Some of our recommendations are in a couple of the Democratic plans now before the Congress.
A significant number of our recommendations are in this GOP bill though -
I personally have had the opportunity (along with others) to sit in on some of the Senate Finance Committee meetings (chaired by Sen Backus) and was able to speak directly to members of the committee.
So yes - I feel I'm well informed on the subject - including premiums - if I do say so myself
BTW - I have not kept this a secret - you can get back on my postings and see a number of posts where I referenced these activities.
Impressive!
However my question is this; how did you reach your conclusions by which you based your recommendations on? Was it from the personal experience of the 100 people "from all walks of life" in this group? If so, how many of those 100 were without health insurance, how many had their insurance rescinded or claims denied, and how many were unemployed?
Did you do any polling or independent research of the general public? Who sponsored this committee? Who paid for the meeting places and the meals?
Many can actually afford to pay for their own medical care even though they do not have insurance. I know that may surprise you but, it is true.
For those who cannot, then it would be up to the individual or in some cases, welfare. Mind you - obamacare is NOT going to eliminate welfare.
The policies envisioned by obamacare are essentially bare bones type of coverages - although there is the promotion of well care - something I can fully agree with. And, there is the Catastrophic coverage - which again is great. In fact - that is what Insurance USE TO BE for. Not the day to day.
The 2% fine? The legislation does not specify where it goes to - that is one of the problems. The bill says "The Secretary will determine ....."
And this is one of the big complaints with the Obamacare proposal. It lacks a lot of specifics.
Again, how did you come to this conclusion; polling, independent research, how? What were your methods?
If this is true, according to your statement, we have no healthcare crisis. You suggest in the above post that most Americans can afford to pay, even out of pocket, for medical care.
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