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Old 08-04-2009, 09:51 PM
 
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What happened in 1861?

Lincoln was sworn in on March 4, 1861
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:53 PM
 
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I am praying that the elitist condecending tone of yours is echoed by the ruling elites as they have begun to do. It will surely finish this thing off.
Nothing "elitist" about it. These people are stupid and/or ignorant. And they PREFER to be that way. Nobody's stopping them from getting an education. The fact that they PREFER, and even CELEBRATE ignorance makes them stupid. Perfectly observable FACTS. Only stupid people think having an education and thinking critically and thoughtfully about the world is "elitist."
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:54 PM
 
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Lincoln was sworn in on March 4, 1861
But how does that signify the beginning of the end for the Republic?
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:05 PM
 
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You really have some deep hatred for anyone who goes against Obama's wishes don't you ?

Terrorists for disagreeing in public ? Should the next move be to get rid of all the Amendments ? Just shoot on sight anyone who disagrees with Congress and/or the President ?

Gray haired Americans protesting and he is calling them terrorists.

Be thankful they are not at the point where they turn their Sons and Grandsons loose.

If that happens the Detroit and LA riots will look like childs play.

600,000 Americans perished in the War Between the States.

The rhetoric on both sides needs to tone down or it is going to get out of control.


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Old 08-04-2009, 10:07 PM
 
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What's interesting is that during 8 years of Bush none of these extreme right-wing fanatics uttered a word in protest. Not one word. A black man gets elected President and suddenly it's Armageddon?

Yeah, no.
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:08 PM
 
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But how does that signify the beginning of the end for the Republic?
The States of the Republic became mere Provinces of the Empire when their right of self-determination was denied them.

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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Contrary to the simplistic view of the Civil War most Americans recall from grade school, the Civil War was NOT about slavery. Slavery was merely the moral whitewash applied to the ECONOMIC motive of the North to keep the South in the Union. (This is the nature of EVERY war in history, btw... They ALL have a primary, economic motive, and a secondary, moral excuse given to justify their aggression.)

Not allowing the states the right to withdraw from the Union went against everything on which the country was founded.
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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What's interesting is that during 8 years of Bush none of these extreme right-wing fanatics uttered a word in protest. Not one word. A black man gets elected President and suddenly it's Armageddon?

Yeah, no.
Umm he is a far left wacko who happens to be black. But leave it to the left to see only race. Oh well.
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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No, I have a deep hatred for those so-called Americans who don't want every citizen to have affordable health care....those who lie about it...those who are paid to disrupt meetings meant to discuss it..THEY are keeping others from their right to free speech...and certainly keeping people from INTELLIGENT discussion. Their INSTRUCTIONS are to holler out something and then LEAVE...NOT to wait for an answer, NOT to discuss it, not to give anyone a chance to answer but to TUCK TAIL AND RUN!!!!

There's more ways to kill, intimidate, terrorize people than using bombs and airplanes.
Well do you have some links to back up your "facts" ?
As far as I understand these were people expressing their free speech.
In the case of Doggett in Austin, they let him speak for 45 minutes before asking a question. It was Doggett who left 15 minutes earlier than planned. In the case of Spector, they asked and waited for his answer too.

Where do you see that they walk in and do what you claim ?

Links to back up what you are claiming.
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:13 PM
 
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What's interesting is that during 8 years of Bush none of these extreme right-wing fanatics uttered a word in protest. Not one word. A black man gets elected President and suddenly it's Armageddon?

Yeah, no.
You are either assuming that all these people are "right wing fanatics" or you are believing the left wing propoganda. Take a look at the video of the town hall in New York. When the congresscriminal (I apply this title to BOTH parties, just so you know) started in about how great the VA medical system is, notice how angry the old man got. This was not acting. One of the things he tells the guy is how one of his loved ones died in a VA hospital.

Have you ever been to a VA hospital? Ever been to one that isn't one of the brand new ones? They are god-forsaken sh*tholes.

Were you ever in the military? Ever received care from the VA? I have. The idea that these 400-some corrupt, greedy bastards in DC can FORCE this on us PISSES ME THE HELL OFF.

And I am NOT a "right wing fanatic." I'm a veteran who has been on the receiving end of ****ty government health care.
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Old 08-04-2009, 10:14 PM
 
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The States of the Republic became mere Provinces of the Empire when their right of self-determination was denied them.



Contrary to the simplistic view of the Civil War most Americans recall from grade school, the Civil War was NOT about slavery. Slavery was merely the moral whitewash applied to the ECONOMIC motive of the North to keep the South in the Union. (This is the nature of EVERY war in history, btw... They ALL have a primary, economic motive, and a secondary, moral excuse given to justify their aggression.)

Not allowing the states the right to withdraw from the Union went against everything on which the country was founded.
The mayor of New York city wanted to secede with the South...oh I forgot...there was no Civil War. My Great Great Grandfather, 3rd Cavalry, Tennessee Volunteers (Lillards)
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