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View Poll Results: Deporting Illegals:would it help fund Healthcare Reform
Yes. 19 45.24%
No. 7 16.67%
It would help,but not enough. 11 26.19%
The costs to deport would actually hurt funding. 5 11.90%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-05-2009, 01:37 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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you would think so...
but i doubt that.

some parts of LA that are magnets for new arrivals (korean, armenian, salvadoran, ethiopian) are not places the general pop wants to go (unless its for good food).

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what would fill that vacuum?

Americans and legal residents maybe?
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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True, and if they're in jail for facilitating illegal labor they can spend some time rethinking the meaning of "profit."
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:45 PM
 
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If you had a magical deportation device, maybe? I dunno, it costs money to deport/detain illegals, people seem to neglect this fact.



Depends on the business. If the business can't afford legal labor they would probably go under.
short term cost, long term gain. frankly, that is where some of the money should have gone instead of all of these idiotic pork projects. we could use the soldiers coming home to man the borders. they would keep 100% full employment and be protecting their own country.

why doesn't our government put more pressure on the illegal immigrant employers? most americans know which companies hire the illegals. (at least we do in florida). our own government is trying to circumvent the law for their own reasons, both bush and obama.
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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How about including some links to stats on how many illegals are actually on "welfare" and what it might cost to deport all of them.
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good luck with that request!
Here's the stats on just ONE COUNTY

WELFARE COSTS FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IN
L.A. COUNTY OVER $36 MILLION IN MARCH
LOS ANGELES COUNTY - According to new data from the Department of Public Social Services, nearly twenty five percent of Los Angeles County's welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens, at a cost of $36 million a month -- for a projected annual cost of $432 million.

"The total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year - not including the millions of dollars for education," said Antonovich. "With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $432 million in welfare allocations, illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers."
In March, illegals collected over $19 million in welfare assistance and over $16 million in food stamp allocations."


That's 1 BILLION dollars a year in LA county ALONE.How's that for stats to start with and that is just welfare,not prisons etc etc etc..

Welfare costs for illegal immigrants to be $432 million - Leftovers from City Hall (http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvgov/2008/05/welfare-costs-for-illegal-immi.html - broken link)
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:50 PM
 
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I'm curious how much sales tax revenue illegals generate.
Even illegals need to eat, for example.

If we're kicking out millions, do we assume that has no effect on tax revenue?
Is that in sum, greater than the amount spent on healthcare for illegals?

If so, the answer is obviously "No" - we'd simply be taking money out of one pocket and putting it in another while trying to claim that as savings.

Seems like we are missing some very vital pieces of information to be able to come to an informed decision.
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Old 08-05-2009, 01:51 PM
 
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$8.7 billion/year?

NASA Budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"CBO estimates that appropriations for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq since 2001 through February 2008 total $752 billion.[46]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_budget_(United_States)
NASA - NASA Announces Fiscal Year 2010 Budget NASA announced Thursday an $18.69 billion budget for fiscal year 2010 to advance Earth science, complete the International Space Station, explore the solar system and conduct aeronautics research. The budget request represents an increase of $903.6 million, or 5 percent, above funding provided in the fiscal year 2009 Omnibus Appropriations Act. All totaled, an additional $2 billion has been added to NASA's 2009 and 2010 budgets under the Obama administration.

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Old 08-05-2009, 01:55 PM
 
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you would think so...
but i doubt that.

some parts of LA that are magnets for new arrivals (korean, armenian, salvadoran, ethiopian) are not places the general pop wants to go (unless its for good food).
nobody should be here illegally. anywhere illegally. I dont understand what the problem is with some countries. Countires get billions of dollars in aid from the UN and other contributing outfits.... for education, infrastructure and so on... put the decent education in place, create some jobs, seed some small businesses and some big businesses, et voila, capitalism and a healthy middle class. In Mexico, irrigate the damn land. Who the US needs to overthrow are the oligarchies.

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Old 08-05-2009, 02:17 PM
 
Location: here
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Here's the stats on just ONE COUNTY

WELFARE COSTS FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IN
L.A. COUNTY OVER $36 MILLION IN MARCH
LOS ANGELES COUNTY - According to new data from the Department of Public Social Services, nearly twenty five percent of Los Angeles County's welfare and food stamp benefits goes directly to the children of illegal aliens, at a cost of $36 million a month -- for a projected annual cost of $432 million.

"The total cost for illegal immigrants to County taxpayers far exceeds $1 billion a year - not including the millions of dollars for education," said Antonovich. "With $220 million for public safety, $400 million for healthcare, and $432 million in welfare allocations, illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers."
In March, illegals collected over $19 million in welfare assistance and over $16 million in food stamp allocations."


That's 1 BILLION dollars a year in LA county ALONE.How's that for stats to start with and that is just welfare,not prisons etc etc etc..

Welfare costs for illegal immigrants to be $432 million - Leftovers from City Hall (http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvgov/2008/05/welfare-costs-for-illegal-immi.html - broken link)
alright. But, the children who were born here and are receiving the benefits are AMERICANS and can't be deported.
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Texas
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alright. But, the children who were born here and are receiving the benefits are AMERICANS and can't be deported.
But the benefits are technically issued to their parents. They can be withheld as long as the parents are illegal.

As far as deportations, many illegals with children - even if those children are citizens - will be likely to take the kids with them if deported.
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Old 08-05-2009, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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But the benefits are technically issued to their parents. They can be withheld as long as the parents are illegal.

As far as deportations, many illegals with children - even if those children are citizens - will be likely to take the kids with them if deported.
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