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Why would you guys try to cram a health care bill down our throats in three to four weeks when the President took six months to pick what he wanted for a dog for his kids?
A registered democrat who isn't buying Washington's BS.... Gasp....
Somebody get him some more kool-aid with a stronger concentration mix, the regular stuff isn't working anymore....
Of course the politician had nothing but rhetoric, bullet points and lies....
Don Jeror (shouting guy in the video) organized his area's tea party.
He leads a group called Fort Stanwix Patriots.
I'm a leader of a group of patriots too.
The samuel adams patriots.
I LOVE his Palin/Bush-esque "Just because I don't have sophisticated language, I can recognize a liar when I see one."
(trust me, I'm just a regular dummy like you)
clinton managed to balance the budget...
all I'm saying is.. placing the burden of healthcare upon small business and employers when the cost of it doubles every 8-10 years is not sustainable either...
It's about priorities... and healthcare should be in the top 3
You do realize that 45 percent of your total compensation by your employer is healthcare insurance..? as that rises.. the only thing to offset it is your wage to decline or remain stagnant in the face of inflation.. which is still a decline...
so.. to all the people against healthcare reform, and UHC... I want to know what your beef is??? is it the word "socialist"??? that's got you all up in arms??? fact is, many of the people at these crazy town hall meetings protesting are on medicare themselves.. which is a fantastic program.. and guess what... it's socialized healthcare!!
you people don't make any sense...
you don't have a leg to stand on about care, and service and quality.... the "facts" you all like to rant are lies... I've lived overseas and experienced UHC... it works, it's fantastic.. offers much better choices for doctors than what I personally have through my employer's "network of doctors"
The only other issue is cost for you all...
and funny how 6 years ago.. you weren't protesting the war in iraq and the nearly trillion dollar pricetag...
but now with healthcare reform... you squawk like a chicken with it's head cut off...
cmon now.. how do you expect anyone that's not drinking your koolaide to take you seriously???
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I have alot to loose with a government run health care. It is more than just the "socialist" label people attach to it. I have MS, I do not want, nor need the government having ANY play in my health what so ever. I have acquaintances all over the world that I know through our shared misery known as MS. I have heard their horror stories, and helped a few through financial messes because they were denied the treatment proved to work for them, because it was deemed to expensive for the UHC. I helped by opening my pocket book and giving a couple thousand of my own money to help them buy a couple months of treatment out of pocket. If the copay they propose is the same, or near the same as Medicare, you can kiss my ability to pay for my treatment good bye. Right now I pay 75.00 of a 2400 per month MS treatment. Medicare charges... 30% of that cost as a copay, putting it out of reach for me and many others with my Disease. I do not need, nor can I afford the government to control who, when, and where I see my doctors. I cannot go through a GP when I have an attack, i MUST see my neurologist within 24 hours of the start of an attack or it could very well leave me permanently disabled. The GOAL in Britain, for wait time to see ANY doctor is outlined in the most recent publication by the UHC as 20 weeks!!!! that is the GOAL, which most of the counties are NOT meeting. Time is of the essence for me, something at which government is not known for the speedy responses. I have NEVER been turned down treatment, never been told to wait, never been dumped, never been told NO by my private insurance company. They are currently loosing money on me, but yet they still cover any request related to my disease. There are problems in the system. But I like to use the analogy such as this.
putting frosting on a pile of dog poo is not going to change the fact that there is dog poo under the frosting, much like throwing government control and money at health care is not going to fix the problem.
as to your bolded statement, the key word is PROMOTE, not CONTROL, or GUARANTEE. by allowing private industries to work and function without government interference you are promoting the general welfare. Do you think restricting you from buying health insurance across state lines, restricting the purchase of treatments and drugs from other countries is promoting general welfare? It to me looks like it is stifling it.
I have alot to loose with a government run health care. It is more than just the "socialist" label people attach to it. I have MS, I do not want, nor need the government having ANY play in my health what so ever. I have acquaintances all over the world that I know through our shared misery known as MS. I have heard their horror stories, and helped a few through financial messes because they were denied the treatment proved to work for them, because it was deemed to expensive for the UHC. I helped by opening my pocket book and giving a couple thousand of my own money to help them buy a couple months of treatment out of pocket. If the copay they propose is the same, or near the same as Medicare, you can kiss my ability to pay for my treatment good bye. Right now I pay 75.00 of a 2400 per month MS treatment. Medicare charges... 30% of that cost as a copay, putting it out of reach for me and many others with my Disease. I do not need, nor can I afford the government to control who, when, and where I see my doctors. I cannot go through a GP when I have an attack, i MUST see my neurologist within 24 hours of the start of an attack or it could very well leave me permanently disabled. The GOAL in Britain, for wait time to see ANY doctor is outlined in the most recent publication by the UHC as 20 weeks!!!! that is the GOAL, which most of the counties are NOT meeting. Time is of the essence for me, something at which government is not known for the speedy responses. I have NEVER been turned down treatment, never been told to wait, never been dumped, never been told NO by my private insurance company. They are currently loosing money on me, but yet they still cover any request related to my disease. There are problems in the system. But I like to use the analogy such as this.
putting frosting on a pile of dog poo is not going to change the fact that there is dog poo under the frosting, much like throwing government control and money at health care is not going to fix the problem.
as to your bolded statement, the key word is PROMOTE, not CONTROL, or GUARANTEE. by allowing private industries to work and function without government interference you are promoting the general welfare. Do you think restricting you from buying health insurance across state lines, restricting the purchase of treatments and drugs from other countries is promoting general welfare? It to me looks like it is stifling it.
I'm sorry to hear that... but I'm afraid, you're not everybody either..
fact is.. most nations with UHC also have private healthcare options out there as well. UHC is not about destroying private options...
healthcare insurance is the biggest socialist policy out there as well.. instead of the government overseeing it.. a company is..
the very fact that they are taking a LOSS in providing MS treatments for you.. means they are profiting off someone else who is healthy!!! how is that not socialist??? why should someone else have to pay for your healthcare treatment through insurance premiums??? only difference is the money being filtered through the fingers of corporate america instead of uncle sam...
atleast uncle sam can regulate that the entire system is non-profit in hopes of getting the cost down..
Your friends in britain might have issues with MS treatments.. but many people here in the US do as well... consider yourself VERY Lucky.. also, your friends in britain are free to go out and get their own private healthcare as well... australia and britain do not just have UHC...
which goes back to what I'm saying.. UHC for everyone doesn't rule out or stifle private healthcare options...
it extends preventative care to everyone, so that they don't end up in emergency rooms when it's too late, only to file bankruptcy on the bills and cause EVERYONE's cost to go up
and you're right it is about promoting not controlling.. and right now.. EVERYONE's healthcare is CONTROLLED by big money corporations and insurance companies that are PRIVATE ENTITIES.... the only way "we the people" can be included in the phrase would be through the government which is of the people by the people and for the people..which is what our system of government is right???...I don't understand where you're coming from other than fear of losing what you got because you fear it being worse.. and it's completely understandable... but there is a bigger picture to be seen.. and while I sympathize with your unfortunate circumstances.. it doesn't shine any light of logic on the issue...
we're talking about a system that should be available to everyone and work for everyone.. and while I'm glad its worked out for you thus far.. it doesn't do what it should do and be what it should be for many others...
I'm am totally in favor of medical professionals being properly compensated, the real issue is corporate overhead, and frankly as it stands now... there are corporate entities in this country profiting off your MS.. and that alone is a sociatal flaw...
you may not think about that right now, because you're just worried about getting the care you need when you need it...but everyone else outside the picture should be disgusted... I for one am! and sorry I just don't agree
And many DEMs who are switching to the right at a fast rate.
lol... thats what fox news wants you to think...
healthcare is a touchy issue, because everyone is coming at it from a different perspective with personal issues at stake...and the fear tactics and lies of the right are doing nothing but a serious disservice to the american people...
If healthcare reform is not a reality and gets killed.. I really fear for the wellbeing of the country.. because even the people who love what it is and what they got now.. are only supporting a system that is unstainable, with it's impact only spreading to bankrupting small business and the little guy.. and stifling the wages of those who work for the big corporations..
as it stands now.. 45 percent of the average salary earner in america's total compensation package involves healthcare expenses..and it will only continue to go up... making it harder and harder for regular families to be protected with healthcare insurance and be able to put food on the table as well...
the scare game works on many people.. and it works wonders in america.. I certainly do not doubt that!
Obama has the spirit of the anti-Christ, by his fruits we will know him, God does not need the records, he has so carefully concealed, to reveal to us who he is.
Obama has the spirit of the anti-Christ, by his fruits we will know him, God does not need the records, he has so carefully concealed, to reveal to us who he is.
this is garbage.... how do we know YOU'RE not the "anti-christ"???
people that go around spouting this sort of stuff should be ashamed of themselves and their own ignorance...
go to college! and if you did, try again and actually listen this time!
]clinton managed to balance the budget...[/color]
all I'm saying is.. placing the burden of healthcare upon small business and employers when the cost of it doubles every 8-10 years is not sustainable either...
It's about priorities... and healthcare should be in the top 3
You do realize that 45 percent of your total compensation by your employer is healthcare insurance..? as that rises.. the only thing to offset it is your wage to decline or remain stagnant in the face of inflation.. which is still a decline...
so.. to all the people against healthcare reform, and UHC... I want to know what your beef is??? is it the word "socialist"??? that's got you all up in arms??? fact is, many of the people at these crazy town hall meetings protesting are on medicare themselves.. which is a fantastic program.. and guess what... it's socialized healthcare!!
you people don't make any sense...
you don't have a leg to stand on about care, and service and quality.... the "facts" you all like to rant are lies... I've lived overseas and experienced UHC... it works, it's fantastic.. offers much better choices for doctors than what I personally have through my employer's "network of doctors" The only other issue is cost for you all...
and funny how 6 years ago.. you weren't protesting the war in iraq and the nearly trillion dollar pricetag...
but now with healthcare reform... you squawk like a chicken with it's head cut off...
cmon now.. how do you expect anyone that's not drinking your koolaide to take you seriously???
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
On Clinton comment:
Inflation Rate - GWBush's 1st three years:
Jan 2001: 3.73% (before GWBush)
Jan 2004: 1.93% (after 3 years of GWBush) Difference: 1.8% Decrease
Bill Clinton's 1st three years:
Jan 1993: 3.26% (before Clinton)
Jan 1996: 2.73% (after 3 years of Clinton) Difference: 0.53% Decrease
A few more tidbits:
* "2004 Will Be the U.S.'s Best Year Economically in Last 20 Years" ~ The Conference Board's revised forecast, December 2003.
* Manufacturing is at 20-year record highs.
The Federal deficit is estimated to be $477 billion in 2004 but then drop to $362 billion for 2005. The current 2004 deficit is 4.2% of the GDP which makes it smaller, compared to the GDP, than what it was in the late '80s and early '90s.
* The stock markets (i.e. your pensions, IRAs, 401(k)s and college saving plans) have rebounded solidly and are approaching three-year highs. Economy Better Under GWBush Than Bill Clinton: Statistical Comparison
On healthcare comment:
No it is about all the hidden agenda, control of ones healthcare and the single payer system, rationed care, and the elderly.
there are many independents who aren't buying it either... HEALTHCARE that is.. because they can't afford it!!!
just sayin...
keep smearing it.. keep talking trash..
the industrialized world has public health care.. and many of them have higher life expectancies and better overall health than the US...
access to affordable healthcare involves the "general welfare" of the country... if people don't have their health.. they don't have anything in this life...nothing else really matters...
so.. shut up.. quite making it out to be something it isn't.. and lets move on to the next level... in actually taking care of the interests of ordinary americans.. and NOT special interest corporations who only care about making profits..
Perhaps if they let someone read this bill and they truthfully answered questions about the concerns, there would less opposition. This paternal "government knows best" attitude is part of what is causing the problem, at least to me.
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Gasp....
