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Old 08-07-2009, 11:02 PM
YAZ
 
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Originally Posted by MovingForward View Post
The amount of money currently spent with insurance companies in charge is astronomical and climbing every year--far beyond anything that a single-payer system would cost.

The insurance companies already cut off handicapped kids. Where is your--and Palin's-- "legitimate concern" about that?

Also, what part of "Palin is lying about the provision" did you not understand? And what part of "a REPUBLICAN introduced that provision" did you not understand?
NewtoCA had a valid point and was quite polite.

Why are you so condescending?

Did I speel thit rightt Jennnny?


 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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The amount of money currently spent with insurance companies in charge is astronomical and climbing every year--far beyond anything that a single-payer system would cost.

The insurance companies already cut off handicapped kids. Where is your--and Palin's-- "legitimate concern" about that?

Also, what part of "Palin is lying about the provision" did you not understand? And what part of "a REPUBLICAN introduced that provision" did you not understand?
Man, you are so partisan you can't see the forest from the trees.

Fortunately, the general public is starting to get a bit more hesitant to just support national health care proposals, and are getting more critical in their evaluation of a comprehensive program.

Again, I applaud Palin for bringing up the issue. Focusing on it is a major plus to me.

Sorry that you find critical evaluation so annoying, I guess it kind of ruins the "affirmative reality" some of you enjoy creating.
 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:04 PM
 
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NewtoCA had a valid point and was quite polite.

Why are you so condescending?

Did I speel thit rightt Jennnny?

Why are you trying to derail the thread?
 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:05 PM
 
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Man, you are so partisan you can't see the forest from the trees.

Fortunately, the general public is starting to get a bit more hesitant to just support national health care proposals, and are getting more critical in their evaluation of a comprehensive program.

Again, I applaud Palin for bringing up the issue. Focusing on it is a major plus to me.

Sorry that you find critical evaluation so annoying, I guess it kind of ruins the "affirmative reality" some of you enjoy creating.
And once again, you avoid answering the FACT that Palin brought up no "issue." That she is frigging LYING. And that the provision she calls "Obama's Death Panel" was actually inserted by a REPUBLICAN senator. Yet you blithely ignore those facts. Talk about "being so partisan you can't see the forest for the trees."
 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:09 PM
 
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The issue is that a national health care plan will ultimately need to have some type of cost controls. Within this context choosing who will be the "medical losers" is a legitimate concern for those of us with handicapped kids.

I applaud Palin for bringing up the issue for discussion, no matter the impact on the health care vote.
Palin brought up emotional scare tactics: ration care, kill grandma. Her goal is to help defeat health care reform and thereby help gain R seats in 2010. Make no mistake.

She doesnt mention that many health insurance companies discriminate against Down Syndrome patients.* She's using her own little boy for sleazy political purposes. If she cared about the handicapped children of parents not as well off as she is she would show it. But she does NOT.

* The National Down Syndrome Congress:
Health Care Insurance Reform - National Down Syndrome Congress (http://www.ndsccenter.org/resources/position6.php - broken link)
 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:11 PM
YAZ
 
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Why are you trying to derail the thread?

Why are you so nasty?

Stick to the topic and don't be condescending.

Answer politely, state your opinion in a polite manner, and pretend "MOM" is in the room.

I know you can do it.

 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Wanna discuss sumthin'?
*L* As if you have something to offer. Now be quiet and learn something from MovingForward's and KsStorm's posts.
 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:15 PM
YAZ
 
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Palin brought up emotional scare tactics: ration care, kill grandma. Her goal is to help defeat health care reform and thereby help gain R seats in 2010. Make no mistake.

She doesnt mention that many health insurance companies discriminate against Down Syndrome patients.* She's using her own little boy for sleazy political purposes. If she cared about the handicapped children of parents not as well off as she is she would show it. But she does NOT.

* The National Down Syndrome Congress:
Health Care Insurance Reform - National Down Syndrome Congress (http://www.ndsccenter.org/resources/position6.php - broken link)

I don't agree with you.

She's against "nationalized" health care that has failed miserably in other countries.

And I seriously doubt that she's using her child to promote her "agenda".

Talk to her first, then come back and let us know.
 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:17 PM
YAZ
 
Location: Phoenix,AZ
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*L* As if you have something to offer. Now be quiet and learn something from MovingForward's and KsStorm's posts.
Pleez.

Do a post history on me and REALLY learn sumthin'....

C'mon Jen, lighten up.

It's all good....
 
Old 08-07-2009, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Originally Posted by delusianne View Post
Palin brought up emotional scare tactics: ration care, kill grandma. Her goal is to help defeat health care reform and thereby help gain R seats in 2010. Make no mistake.

She doesnt mention that many health insurance companies discriminate against Down Syndrome patients.* She's using her own little boy for sleazy political purposes. If she cared about the handicapped children of parents not as well off as she is she would show it. But she does NOT.

* The National Down Syndrome Congress:
Health Care Insurance Reform - National Down Syndrome Congress (http://www.ndsccenter.org/resources/position6.php - broken link)
Disagree here, rationing of care is a very legitimate issue. The discussion of cost control needs to be really critically evaluated, especially if it can have "enhanced" life or death impacts on specific segments of our society.

I appreciate her making this a specific item of discussion. I don't object to her bringing up her kid at all.

Nobody said todays system is perfect, but many of us have health insurance that provides excellent care for our handicapped kids.
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