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Old 08-07-2009, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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According to Barney Frank this healthcare insurance bill will be just the first step toward single payer. When asked why they don't put it in now he had an answer that the questioner on this video didn't want to hear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3BS4C9el98
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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YouTube - Veruca Salt - I want it now
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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But Barney says they don't have enough votes yet. They have to take tiny steps and finally they can swing it. I really don't think that guy who was asking the questions was very happy when he told him he had to wait.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:24 PM
 
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There is no proposal for single payer system. Its just falt too expensive unless you want to be the payer yourself. To do that would mean raisng veryone taxes to about 355 like in eirope plus fee raies.Right now the french sytem has been annouced as in crisis by that government because of the rising cost.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:28 PM
 
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We willnever se it in our lifetime IMO.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:29 PM
 
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There are a lot of things I thought I would never see in my lifetime.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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There are a lot of things I thought I would never see in my lifetime.
Yeah, like the government owning majority stakes in two of the big three auto companies, budget deficits in excess of a trillion dollars, and the government trying to take over and run our healthcare system.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:37 PM
 
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There is no proposal for single payer system. Its just falt too expensive unless you want to be the payer yourself. To do that would mean raisng veryone taxes to about 355 like in eirope plus fee raies.Right now the french sytem has been annouced as in crisis by that government because of the rising cost.
Actually, single-payer is the least expensive option. All administration is streamlined, insurance companies and their nightmarish bureaucratic burden on both doctor and patient is eliminated--but doctors would still work for private medical clinics and hospitals, and patients would still have the freedom to choose their doctor. It would be ENORMOUSLY easier and cheaper than either the current system or a public health option. But as soon as "single-payer" was mentioned, the bought Congress and right-wing media, as well as the insurance industry, took out the big guns and starting spreading lies and fear, using words like "socialist," etc., to terrify the American people into believing that their "freedom" would be stolen from them. I wish people could live for just one year in a European country with a single-payer system. What they would find is that it works quite well, and that--surprise!--capitalism is still alive and well in those countries, as is individual and collective "freedom."

This whole right-wing fear-mongering fight against public health care is about losing their bloodsucking money. Period.
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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Actually, single-payer is the least expensive option. All administration is streamlined, insurance companies and their nightmarish bureaucratic burden on both doctor and patient is eliminated--but doctors would still work for private medical clinics and hospitals, and patients would still have the freedom to choose their doctor. It would be ENORMOUSLY easier and cheaper than either the current system or a public health option.
What do you base that on? That is complete and total conjecture, especially when you add the government bureaucrat factor. You are talking about an enormous system that would have to serve hundreds of millions of people as if it's a couple of hundred people in a small town. What has the government ever done more efficiently than the private sector?
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Old 08-07-2009, 11:59 PM
 
Location: California
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27 years from now.
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