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Old 09-26-2009, 01:46 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I believe there would be more people seeking attention.. but then who goes to the Dr. just for ****s and giggles?? Do you think people actually
WANT to go to the Dr. just because they can?? LOL

BTW.. nothing is stopping htem now.. if those people are seekers..they go to the ER for a hangnail and WE get charged double.

I think we need to encourage more Dr's to go into Primary Care.. wellness and prevention level care.. as opposed to "specialist" care by looking at HOW we compensate. Specialists are looked at as "more valuable" so to speak in our society.. when actually PRIMARY care is just as if not MORE valuable.. as they could PREVENT someone from actually NEEDING a specialist by catching things sooner.


i never claimed the bill was perfect.. my piont of my other thread was to point out that we're so busy beating down the imaginary nonsense of the right wing..that the actual LEGIT concerns are not being addressed. Instead we have lunatics at rallys screaming that Obama is Hitler and wants to kill them!! that's not very constructive and there is no such thing in the bill...
guess you didn't know that medicare will not cover the cost of a physical.... yet you think they will pay for preventive care???
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Old 09-26-2009, 01:49 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Yes, huge discounts. I will talk with my office manager tomorrow if I have a chance, to ask her just what they are with a few insurers.

The private companies were around before Medicare/Medicaid, so probably they set the standard.
wow, just wow. The gov't decides most of what is covered under insurance. As they cut benefits, private insurance follows suit since if the gov't doesn't have to pay, then likely they can get away with not paying as well.
As far as rates, they are usually negotiated on a year to year or every other year basis. There is no negotiation with the gov't though. they set the reimbursement rate and you either except it or don't cover medicare/ medicaid patients.
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Old 09-26-2009, 01:51 AM
 
Location: San Antonio, TX
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Well.. considering what they 'need' at this point is beyond what most can pay.. well.. there is no hope of that.

For example.. my one doctor visit $250 for the "full check up" . THAT is WITHOUT bloodwork.

It's a mess.. "tweaking" is no longer the answer.. it needs a COMPLETE makeover.. COMPLETE..

We can either do it now or watch the system we hve further deteriorate.. then watch how our "quality" healthcare becomes third world.. because no one can afford either the insurance premiums OR hte actual procedures.
it's o.k. for everyone else to want more money but not doctors?
You know dealerships charge about $85/ hour to fix your car.
What is your life worth?
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Old 09-26-2009, 02:06 AM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
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You use an article and then completely leave out the substance of the article and then put in your opinion having absolutely nothing to do with the article. It was a good article though, thanks for that.
Yes, I agree with some of the points the article makes, not with the OP. I disagree, however, that Obama cannot explain facts in a simple manner to us. The people who are protesting against health reform wouldn't listen to Bert & Ernie.

What I will never understand is why the people of this county elected a Democrat for President and then elected Democrats for a majority of the House and a majority of the Senate. Then, when the people we elect are in charge, people who support the other party complain that it's fascism or that we're not being bipartisan enough. Just doesn't make sense to me.

By the time health reform is in effect, I'll probably be dead anyway, so I guess it doesn't matter.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:39 AM
 
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To me any sales man who says I have to buy fast or sign fast...is to me a reason to ran as fast as I can....any good deal is if you are allowed to think about it! Obama, Pelosi, etc...want to push it down our throats, that is enough to ran the other way...but that is just 1 of the reasons I'm against it.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Texas
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He did one major thing wrong with reform:

Promised to shove it down our throats regardless of what we think.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Texas
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it's o.k. for everyone else to want more money but not doctors?
You know dealerships charge about $85/ hour to fix your car.
What is your life worth?

Things are only too expensive when you don't want to pay for them.

Your health is your biggest and most valuable commodity. But people have a real problem with the idea that they should contribute any great part of their income towards it.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:55 AM
 
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Hmmm...what would Tom DeLay have done? The health care debate on the Hill is now better than six months along. The whole process has been debate over specifics to meet a general outline of what affordable, effective health care would look like. It has been open to the ideas of anybody who has actually had any. The people whining about having been shut out are those who have refused to join in. Their preference is just to oppose and hopefully kill the idea, no matter what it is or what it does. The best possible health care reform bill could somehow appear and these people would trash it. Lie, deceive, and misrepresent. That is all these people can or will actually do...
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Old 09-26-2009, 06:01 AM
 
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If medicaid/medicare were the ONLY thing a doctor COULD accept.

For example.. my Dr. accepted Medicaid/medicare/BCBS, Aetna, Oxford Etc.

He was not told you can only see x amount a patients a day/week/ year for x amount because you can ONLY accept medicaid/medicare..

There are OTHER things that a Dr. CAN accept.. his income potential is only limited by what he accepts/what he charges and how many patients he sees.

A salar cap is declaring that a Dr. can only make say $200K a
year.

If you want to apply that stance that Dr. Salaries are being limited by the Gov't. .then you can also say that private insurance companies are dictating Dr's salaries also.
They are getting ready to cap the amount of money insurance companies have to pay out to doctors in Massachusetts.

That is what you call a salary cap. And it only took them 3 years.
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:09 AM
 
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guess you didn't know that medicare will not cover the cost of a physical.... yet you think they will pay for preventive care???
Medicare pays for preventive physicals along with ECG. The EM code for it is G0402 and the ECG is coded as G0403.
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