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Old 10-13-2009, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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May God bless A fellow New Englander, Olympia Snowe of Maine.
The fine Senator helped to get it out of committee. She wants the full Senate to vote on it.

I would not count on her vote though in the future. Nor, should you count on Senator Libermans vote either.

 
Old 10-13-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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May God bless Liberman as well. This is a can of worms and I only hope that it is further tweaked to make it more affordable for the Americans.
 
Old 10-13-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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The fine Senator helped to get it out of committee. She wants the full Senate to vote on it.

I would not count on her vote though in the future. Nor, should you count on Senator Libermans vote either.
I think Snowe is thinking about Maine, not about the GOP, at this point. Maine's healthcare problems have pushed many conservatives in her home state into the reformist camp, and Snowe knows that her constituency isn't made up of hard-right GOP'ers, it's moderates, middle-of-the-road people who can appreciate pragmatism and practicality in their Senator.
 
Old 10-13-2009, 02:22 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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May God bless A fellow New Englander, Olympia Snowe of Maine.

Snowe is Greek,at least this time she acted as a Trojan against socialism...

However,it is not over till the fat "progressive " ladies sing...
 
Old 10-13-2009, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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One up for Michigan..............


YouTube - Congressman Mike Rogers' opening statement on Health Care reform in Washington D.C.
 
Old 10-13-2009, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I think Snowe is thinking about Maine, not about the GOP, at this point. Maine's healthcare problems have pushed many conservatives in her home state into the reformist camp, and Snowe knows that her constituency isn't made up of hard-right GOP'ers, it's moderates, middle-of-the-road people who can appreciate pragmatism and practicality in their Senator.

 
Old 10-13-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You are so jaded by your emotional bias that you are missing the forest for the trees (from the above link):


And that person is also paying some amount for health insurance?
Right. ... A person who earns, say, $60,000 a year pays about $600 for health insurance a month; this is the maximum public premium which is paid. ... And someone who earns only $20,000 a year typically would pay about $250 a month.


One can have insurance in any country if they are willing to pay for it. In Germany, France, and other similar nations they pay between 8 and 18% of their income to cover their "free insurance". As noted above, if you earned $60K in Germany they would take 12% of your income to pay for your insurance. It is mandatory unless you have private insurance, which is even more expensive.

A single earning $20K would pay 15% of his income for his "free" health insurance. Mandatory coverage. Payroll tax deduction. Non-negotiable. You guys think it is free or inexpensive. It isn't. Be careful what you wish for.

There are plenty of people in this country who cannot get insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
Don't make it sound like insurance is just out there and affordable for everyone or even if you can afford it that an insurance company will cover you.
 
Old 10-13-2009, 05:21 PM
 
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The issue is no one can agree on a middle ground.

The insurance companies were planning to go alone with Obama but are strongly opposed to the Senate Finance's plan.

Why?

It's easy math. Obama promised the Insurance companies that there would be 100% participation. Now the Senate Finance Plan says there will be 90-95% participation. So up to 10% of people can elect not to carry insurance. Guess who the 10% will be. They will primarily be the 18-30 age range. Those are the super healthy individuals the insurance companies want to force to sign up for health care premiums. Those young people who opt out are the most profitable since they rarely use health care.

Now the insurance companies would be forced to take take on the sickest, costliest patients. They need the young healthy patients to even out the sick patients. But the Senate Finance plan does not call for 100% participation.
 
Old 10-13-2009, 05:23 PM
 
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There are plenty of people in this country who cannot get insurance because of pre-existing conditions.
Don't make it sound like insurance is just out there and affordable for everyone or even if you can afford it that an insurance company will cover you.

Pre-existing exlusions are a small percentage of the total uninsured, Why should we reform the entire system for a small percentage of the population? We could pass a law that outlaws the practice on one page. We don't need 1200 pages of legalize to fix a five minute problem.
 
Old 10-13-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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Pre-existing exlusions are a small percentage of the total uninsured, Why should we reform the entire system for a small percentage of the population? We could pass a law that outlaws the practice on one page. We don't need 1200 pages of legalize to fix a five minute problem.
That's what I've been thiking right along: Fix what needs fixing, don't revamp the whole thing at greater cost and lower benefits across the board. Address such things as portability, pre-existing conditions, the uninsured, tort reform!!
But they can't seem to come up with a plan without giving special deals to pharma, insurance companies, unions, etc.

Just fix what needs fixing so that the people finally get a deal. It's their turn.
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