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Wouldn't that essentially just turn private schools into public schools in the end? Sounds to me like it's just moving a problem instead of solving it.
No. It would turn K-12 schools into competitive enrollment schools just like our world-class higher education system, which includes public universities that are considered among the best in the world on several rankings lists. World's Best Colleges: Top 400 - US News and World Report
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Notice how our competitive enrollment college/university system is world-class, but our K-12 education system is sub-par because the curriculum is aimed at just below average in order for the majority of schools' mixed-ability students to achieve academic goals. Several test results charts here: Academic Failure - International Test Scores - Poor TIMSS Results
What government run socialist programs are you willing to give up?
1. Medicare
2. Social Security
3. Tax Subsidies to Corps
4. Tax Subsidies to Individuals
5. Tax Subsidies to Farmers
6. Any and all Tax Subsidies
7. Welfare (TANF)
8. Public Schools
9. Public Universities/Community Colleges
10. Tariffs/Sales Tax/Property Tax/ etc
PS- 11. Bonus point for "inflation tax" - A la Federal Reserve
The top two choices (1) and (2) would save me more than 8,000-9,000 a year if i stopped paying into them. The others like sales tax, corp tax, farming subsidies, tariffs, and etc are a little harder to quantity, because they are often "hidden taxes."
Anyway, which government programs are you willing to give up for lower taxes?
There is no "public stealing". And, that is a FACT as you demand.
Now, if you want to be taken seriously - I'd suggest you tone back your rhetoric - you sound silly and uneducated
HAHAHA Greatday, if you cannot handle the argument at least be mature enough to not resort to name calling. If you only paid 166k into a program and you get more than your 166k back it is stealing. You are knowingly taking more money than you put in? Right? Where am i wrong in my logic?
Also, how is doing basic math based on the government given Social Security and Medicare tax rates make me sound uneducated?
Instead of name calling why don't you gather information that would support your opinion and let's debate the subject. Where did i personally call you a name????
Ponzi Schemes are stealing whether government sponsored or not. It is a form of stealing! If i go to a church and they pass around the collection plate and i decide i need change for a 20 dollar bill, if i take out say $40 bucks extra is this not stealing from the church plate?
What government run socialist programs are you willing to give up?
1. Medicare
2. Social Security
3. Tax Subsidies to Corps
4. Tax Subsidies to Individuals
5. Tax Subsidies to Farmers
6. Any and all Tax Subsidies
7. Welfare (TANF)
8. Public Schools
9. Public Universities/Community Colleges
10. Tariffs/Sales Tax/Property Tax/ etc
PS- 11. Bonus point for "inflation tax" - A la Federal Reserve
The top two choices (1) and (2) would save me more than 8,000-9,000 a year if i stopped paying into them. The others like sales tax, corp tax, farming subsidies, tariffs, and etc are a little harder to quantity, because they are often "hidden taxes."
Anyway, which government programs are you willing to give up for lower taxes?
HAHAHA Greatday, if you cannot handle the argument at least be mature enough to not resort to name calling. If you only paid 166k into a program and you get more than your 166k back it is stealing. You are knowingly taking more money than you put in? Right? Where am i wrong in my logic?
First off - there was no "name calling"
And as to where you are WRONG with your logic? Simply put, the word "stealing" (or theft is another common word) clearly imply and clearly suggest (check it out in any dictionary) that the actions are unlawful - against the law. In the situation(s) you are describing, the payments are NOT against any law - quite the opposite as a matter of fact - the payments are very much within the law(s).
Now, I know you have not been in the US very long (or so you say) so you may not understand the Social Security system but, suffice to say that when one reaches retirement age and regardless of how much money they have paid into the "system", the monthly benefits that the person - are quite LEGAL - there is no "stealing" as you allege
HAHAHA Greatday, if you cannot handle the argument at least be mature enough to not resort to name calling. If you only paid 166k into a program and you get more than your 166k back it is stealing. You are knowingly taking more money than you put in? Right? Where am i wrong in my logic?
Also, how is doing basic math based on the government given Social Security and Medicare tax rates make me sound uneducated?
Instead of name calling why don't you gather information that would support your opinion and let's debate the subject. Where did i personally call you a name????
Ponzi Schemes are stealing whether government sponsored or not. It is a form of stealing! If i go to a church and they pass around the collection plate and i decide i need change for a 20 dollar bill, if i take out say $40 bucks extra is this not stealing from the church plate?
One thing is the figures you are using aren't totally correct.
I have told you earlier that Medicare recipients continue to contribute , for one example, and you ignored that.
For SS, the "$4000" figure would be for a couple so the contributions would have to be doubled.
Presently the maximum benefit is $2,323............not the figure everyone receives.
SS is taxed, also,after income levels reach a certain point.
How do you feel about the fact that the proposed health care bill allows premiums to be subsidized for a family of 4 earning $80,000?
Is that our 'poor and needy"?
And as to where you are WRONG with your logic? Simply put, the word "stealing" (or theft is another common word) clearly imply and clearly suggest (check it out in any dictionary) that the actions are unlawful - against the law. In the situation(s) you are describing, the payments are NOT against any law - quite the opposite as a matter of fact - the payments are very much within the law(s).
Now, I know you have not been in the US very long (or so you say) so you may not understand the Social Security system but, suffice to say that when one reaches retirement age and regardless of how much money they have paid into the "system", the monthly benefits that the person - are quite LEGAL - there is no "stealing" as you allege
Greatday, my logic is correct no matter what you want to say! Face the facts!
Your government allowed people to legally lynch blacks and other minority groups did that make lynching ethically right just because the government legislation said it was OK??????
Just because your government sponsors state run stealing does not make it right! How you can ethically argue government legislated stealing, which to me is exactly what social security and medicare allow individuals to do. Your level of thinking this is ethically ok is beyond me.
Answer my original question.
If you go to a church and they pass around a collection plate and you want to get change for a $20 dollar bill, but you take an extra $40 bucks from the plate after putting in your 20 is that not stealing???????????
-Your argument is that it is OK, because it is sponsored by the government, so legislation makes this sort of stealing ethical in your mind???????
This is the problem in my opinion people lack ethics! So, if the government passed legislation, that you could go around and kick old women who stand at a bus stop, going around kicking an old women at a bus stop would be OK ethically to do, because the law says so?????????????????
What government run socialist programs are you willing to give up?
1. Medicare
2. Social Security
3. Tax Subsidies to Corps
You missed a few that republicans would be glad to stop using when they find out that they run by the government:
- Wasterwater treatment (govt. takes you s... and gets rid of it)
- Water purification (govt. cleaned the water that goes to your house)
- Electrical utilities (It's not magic, the govt. provides electricity to your house)
And don't forget about Corporate Socialism (incentives to corporations) that republicans love
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