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Old 08-10-2009, 09:43 PM
 
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Are you kidding? What the hell does that have to do with it? This must be your (admittedly) boring default answer.

So, going by your lame-o response above, you're insinuating that the whole 20min long live spycam video was a farce because Crowder went on Fox for an interview?

Our guinea pig is more intelligent than you....

Where are all the people marching in the streets in Canada for a new health care system?

Are we supposed to believe that a few bad incidents in a specific health care system represent it as a whole? Is that really the type of argument you are putting forth?

Put forth with nothing more than a lazy youtube clip? Is THAT your big argument?

Let me ask you something. When a public OPTION become available, who is going to force you to do this? You're so gung ho on the status quo I'm guessing you either 1) Already have insurance, or 2) Can afford to get your own. If SOMEBODY ELSE would now have a public health care option, where they did not before, wtf do you care?
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:43 PM
 
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...as opposed to our "wonderful" system whereby people die on a constant basis not because their illness is untreatable but rather because their insurance company has decided it's not within their financial interest to pay for the drugs and/or procedures needed to save the life of the patient.

you think that's bad here vs. Canada????????? oh, JUST WAIT!!!! You'll be praying for this system back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:45 PM
 
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I wonder how the rest of the world has managed to survive

Through borrowing and having to spend virtually nothing on their military because the US provides protection for the rest of the world.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:49 PM
 
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you think that's bad here vs. Canada????????? oh, JUST WAIT!!!! You'll be praying for this system back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why?
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:49 PM
 
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Where are all the people marching in the streets in Canada for a new health care system?

Are we supposed to believe that a few bad incidents in a specific health care system represent it as a whole? Is that really the type of argument you are putting forth?

Put forth with nothing more than a lazy youtube clip? Is THAT your big argument?

Let me ask you something. When a public OPTION become available, who is going to force you to do this? You're so gung ho on the status quo I'm guessing you either 1) Already have insurance, or 2) Can afford to get your own. If SOMEBODY ELSE would now have a public health care option, where they did not before, wtf do you care?

I don't understand why people such as your self don't move to Canada or the rest of Europe if you desperately need "free" healthcare. As a European I know what it is like and let me tell you... the day the US has a public plan, is the day you won't be able to afford half the things you take for granted everyday because your income will be cut in half in conjunction with the goods and services almost doubling in price.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:50 PM
 
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you think that's bad here vs. Canada????????? oh, JUST WAIT!!!! You'll be praying for this system back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who is taking the system away? Who got to your brain and made it all paranoid?
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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I don't understand why people such as your self don't move to Canada or the rest of Europe if you desperately need "free" healthcare. As a European I know what it is like and let me tell you... the day the US has a public plan, is the day you won't be able to afford half the things you take for granted everyday because your income will be cut in half in conjunction with the goods and services almost doubling in price.
Oh wow, another crystal ball reader....

I don't have a problem with my tax money going to fund a public option. It's THAT SIMPLE. It's no more "Socialism" than many other current programs that have been in place for years. The argument is ignorant and frankly embarrassing.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:55 PM
 
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Who is taking the system away? Who got to your brain and made it all paranoid?
Its not that the private system will disappear... it is that the private system will double/triple in price, forcing you to use the public plan because a middle-class to poor US citizen will not be able to afford the private system.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:57 PM
 
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Oh wow, another crystal ball reader....

I don't have a problem with my tax money going to fund a public option. It's THAT SIMPLE. It's no more "Socialism" than many other current programs that have been in place for years. The argument is ignorant and frankly embarrassing.
Proof of this is that every year Americans get poorer. Just look at our currency.
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Old 08-10-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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Canadian health care 'live via spycam' (p.s. if you can't watch all 3, watch the third one atleast)

~2-3yrs to get a family doctor
~a patient losing both legs due to too long waiting for needed procedure
~a patient losing sight in one eye due to improper/lack of treatment
You can find a new family doctor in a major city like Toronto without problem. Most hospitals will be able to direct you to a family doctor that is accepting new patients. If you can't be bothered doing that there are MCI Medical Centres and other "walk-in" doctor's offices.

My family doctor has a private test clinic in her medical building and you can get whatever tests you need done immediately. It is all billed through OHIP so I never have to show anything other than my health card.

People do need to take some responsibility for their own health. You should have a family doctor that you are comfortable with. Now I realize that it rural Saskatchewan or on a First Nations Reserve then things will be different than in Toronto. Some rural communities have trouble attracting a doctor to work locally. I gather there are similar problems in the United States as well which causes people to drive for an hour to get to a doctor's office. I doubt too many physicians make house calls anymore since this isn't "Little House on the Prairie".

Yes, people can be misdiagnosed in Canada. It helps to have some sort of advocate with you to help deal with all of the information that you get bombarded with. I will mention that medical malpractice insurance is drastically cheaper in Canada suggesting that gross misconduct is relatively rare here.
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