Who are the Shouters? (Congress, generation, health care, death)
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You might ask yourself why, of all possibilities, reforming America's healthcare system is the thing that "tramples on the Constitution" or "leaves the existence of the Republic at risk." You might ask this, because you're probably not insane. But again, this matches what we've been seeing in every "deather" protest so far --people angrily denouncing government intervention and "socialized medicine" -- but they all love Medicare. They don't want government to supposedly decide who's too expensive to keep alive, with visions of "death panels" and the like -- but insurance companies are doing that now, all the time, and there's nary a peep about that. The opposition, in other words, doesn't know the first damn thing about the thing they're supposedly protesting.
You might ask yourself why, of all possibilities, reforming America's healthcare system is the thing that "tramples on the Constitution" or "leaves the existence of the Republic at risk." You might ask this, because you're probably not insane. But again, this matches what we've been seeing in every "deather" protest so far --people angrily denouncing government intervention and "socialized medicine" -- but they all love Medicare. They don't want government to supposedly decide who's too expensive to keep alive, with visions of "death panels" and the like -- but insurance companies are doing that now, all the time, and there's nary a peep about that. The opposition, in other words, doesn't know the first damn thing about the thing they're supposedly protesting.
Duke, could you tell me who Katy Abram is and how she was treated yesterday after the Specter farce? I would be very interested to see you talk about her beyond only the part that Kos managed to talk about. I will bet that you know nothing past that moment and she had a really full day after she got away from Specter.
Duke, could you tell me who Katy Abram is and how she was treated yesterday after the Specter farce? I would be very interested to see you talk about her beyond only the part that Kos managed to talk about. I will bet that you know nothing past that moment and she had a really full day after she got away from Specter.
lol, is that all you got? She's nobody. You asked and I answered. Bringing up the usual crap that the right wing spews. Her party lost the election and she fears losing her country? Losing elections have consequences so suck it up. I could give a hoot about this nobody.
Duke, could you tell me who Katy Abram is and how she was treated yesterday after the Specter farce? I would be very interested to see you talk about her beyond only the part that Kos managed to talk about. I will bet that you know nothing past that moment and she had a really full day after she got away from Specter.
Katy "The Sleeping Tiger" Abram? Isn't she the new Joe "The Plumber" Wurzelbacher? I'm beginning to sense a theme...
You might ask yourself why, of all possibilities, reforming America's healthcare system is the thing that "tramples on the Constitution" or "leaves the existence of the Republic at risk." You might ask this, because you're probably not insane. But again, this matches what we've been seeing in every "deather" protest so far --people angrily denouncing government intervention and "socialized medicine" -- but they all love Medicare. They don't want government to supposedly decide who's too expensive to keep alive, with visions of "death panels" and the like -- but insurance companies are doing that now, all the time, and there's nary a peep about that. The opposition, in other words, doesn't know the first damn thing about the thing they're supposedly protesting.
See the problem that I have with you guys making fun of those who oppose UHC as being uneducated on the issue is none of you actually explain how it will make things better.
Who will be covered on UHC?
Which version of UHC will we end up with? (just how many versions of the bill is there now, six plus?)
Who will not be covered on UHC?
Why does Congressional leaders get their own version of health care that taxpayers pay for?
Where is the money to pay for UHC going to come from?
What impact will it have on our economy, now, next year, next decade, next generation?
Then there are issues when it comes to the actual level of care provided.
Under whichever UHC bill that does get passed (if any), who decides what will covered and what won't be covered?
Will my taxpayer dollars be used in abortions? (This is critical to many such as myself, and the argument of well you are paying for it thru private insurance already doesn't apply, at least under private insurance we can pick and choose who will give our money and have the option of going with a provider that does not cover abortion).
Will UHC end up as another massive government bureacracy bogged down to the point where nothing gets done in less than 3 to 6 months?
I have dealt with the U.S. government for many years and I know just how messed up they can make things, I am worried that my wife, my kids, or myself would one day have our lives in jeopardy because of government inefficiency.
I have dealt with the U.S. government for many years and I know just how messed up they can make things, I am worried that my wife, my kids, or myself would one day have our lives in jeopardy because of government inefficiency.
Exactly.
I take no issue with the concept of nationalized health care. My issue is with the bureaucrats who'll be calling the shots.
Duke, could you tell me who Katy Abram is and how she was treated yesterday after the Specter farce? I would be very interested to see you talk about her beyond only the part that Kos managed to talk about. I will bet that you know nothing past that moment and she had a really full day after she got away from Specter.
See the problem that I have with you guys making fun of those who oppose UHC as being uneducated on the issue is none of you actually explain how it will make things better.
Its easier for me to spot outrageous lies (kill granny, death panels) than it is to summarize what is in the health bills - so I've been sticking to pointing out the lies.
But I'll try to answer your questions.
Who will be covered on UHC?
> Probably anyone who opts to. It won't reject you for pre-existing conditions.
Which version of UHC will we end up with? (just how many versions of the bill is there now, six plus?)
> Too nostradamus for me.
Who will not be covered on UHC?
> Probably people who choose to keep their private insurance.
Why does Congressional leaders get their own version of health care that taxpayers pay for?
> Hmm.. keep in mind this is fox and an opinion piece. FOXNews.com - Myths About Congress Exposed - Opinion
Maybe doesn't answer your question, but I link it because I had some misconceptions about their health care and that covers them.
Even so, I shed no tears for congress.
Where is the money to pay for UHC going to come from?
> Cuts in other programs will bring the cost to 24 billion / year according to CBO's latest. They'll have to raises taxes for that amount or cut some more, if my rudimentary understanding of Paygo is correct.
What impact will it have on our economy, now, next year, next decade, next generation?
> Again, if I understand paygo, it won't be adding anything to the debt and we'll likely be spending less collectively on healthcare. Insurance companies will be pissed off, but they'll live.
Will my taxpayer dollars be used in abortions? (This is critical to many such as myself, and the argument of well you are paying for it thru private insurance already doesn't apply, at least under private insurance we can pick and choose who will give our money and have the option of going with a provider that does not cover abortion).
> No - saw this answered by a rep at a town hall and at a factcheck site. There was a rumor though.
I skipped a couple questions I have no idea how to answer.
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I have dealt with the U.S. government for many years and I know just how messed up they can make things, I am worried that my wife, my kids, or myself would one day have our lives in jeopardy because of government inefficiency.
Valid concern I suppose.
But you know what I like?
The idea that the ONLY thing doctors/nurses/health specialists have to worry about is the patient's well-being.
Will this undecided legislation do that?
I hope.
Last edited by compJockey; 08-13-2009 at 02:50 AM..
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