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Old 08-14-2009, 08:35 AM
 
Location: southern california
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not only do they not want to pay them or house them but they dont want to take care of them when they are sick. sound like bad slaveowners. americans dont have a problem with slavery, as long as its not them. forced labor products at walmart, under age girls pimped, recruiting illegal alien workers, its all slavery.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:35 AM
 
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We Don't Give A D*amn If The Uninsured Live Or Die!

Wouldn't this be the most honest Republican response to the healthcare issue?
Instead of fear mongering and inventing stories of how terrible the healthcare is in other countries.
It does sound a bit like fear mongering and invention. If the citizens of the U.S. didn't care about the uninsured this country wouldn't have the good medical care it has, life flight to aid those in need of immediate transport, the best emergency care on the planet, frequently at no charge and... oh, wait for it.... and... well, check out the Shrine Hospital, the Scottish Rite Hospital and the York Rite Eye Foundation. These places don't have billing departments. The only requirement for health care is need.

So, in my words... screw socialism.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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If you really cared about the uninsured you would ask why they are uninsured and try to craft solutions to that problem. And, contrary to leftist cant that corporate greed is the cause of this problem, you'll find that the high cost of health insurance is directly attributable to government meddling in that market. Just as government meddling in the mortgage market created the financial crisis so, too, have government regulations and mandates succeeded in making health insurance unaffordable for many people and businesses. Everything that the government has a hand in turns to crap. Open your eyes and stop drinking the statist Kool Aid.
For the insurance industry "corporate greed" (or any greed) is a taboo subject beyond reproach.
Human life is expendable.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:58 AM
 
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Is that what deliberately uninsured people say as they see their blood pouring out after a car accident and they're being Medivac-ed up off the highway? Somehow I dont think so.

Maybe they say it right up til then.
What about the staving? Why not a government UFC (Universal Food Care), what about those poor people starving in the US? Do you not care about them? What about those who live on the streets? They have no homes, how about a UHC (Universal Home Care)? Do you not care about them? What about those who can not afford education? How about a UEC (Universal Education Care)? Do you not care about those who can't get educations?

What about those poor ignorant, homeless starving people? Do you hate them so much that you are not promoting government taking everyone to provide for everything in order to save people? Are you really that callous?

Can we stick to the practical, the rational and leave the "emotional" arguments to the intellectually limited?

Freedom of choice is a relevant issue as it is a key aspect of our countries foundation. Your emotional come back does not excuse the removal of freedoms. It is an evasion to the issue.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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We Don't Give A D*amn If The Uninsured Live Or Die!

Wouldn't this be the most honest Republican response to the healthcare issue?
Instead of fear mongering and inventing stories of how terrible the healthcare is in other countries.
Here's some proof:

Contributors | projo.com | The Providence Journal

op-ed piece in the Providence Journal

How Can a $124.8 Million a Year CEO Make Health Care More Affordable?


An op-ed piece in the Providence Journal about huge pay packages for corporate CEOs mentioned the breath-taking $124.8 million total compensation of United Health Group (parent of United Healthcare) CEO William McGuire.
To look at it from the viewpoint of the health care system, the $124.8 million total compensation of a single United employee could pay the salaries of 833 general internists at current typical salaries. Or the $124.8 million could run one reasonable size community hospital for a year."""
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:10 AM
 
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I'm not an opponent of markets. On the contrary, I've spent a lot of my career defending their virtues. But the fact is that the free market doesn't work for health insurance, and never did. All we ever had was a patchwork, semiprivate system supported by large government subsidies.

That system is now failing. And a rigid belief that markets are always superior to government programs - a belief that ignores basic economics as well as experience - stands in the way of rational thinking about what should replace it.
http://select.nytimes.com/2005/11/14...n.html?_r=1&hp
I'm not sure what you mean by "patchwork." If you mean that the system is not a one-size-fits-all system then we need more, not less, patchwork. Health care is a commodity regulate the cost and supply of commodities better than any planned economy ever could. The "semiprivate" part of your criticism makes my point. Get the government out completely and prices will go down and supply will increase so that health insurance will be affordable again, as it once was before government got in on the act.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:15 AM
 
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Exactly, simply not run by the government.
"taxpayer funded healthcare for the poor," not run by the government?

sorry, you lost me.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:15 AM
 
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For the insurance industry "corporate greed" (or any greed) is a taboo subject beyond reproach.
Human life is expendable.
Give me a break. The insurance industry makes a profit--so what? For you leftists profit equals greed. It's that kind of moralistic calculus that made Soviet bloc nations, North Korea, Cuba, China and Viet Nam a living hell for millions upon millions of people. God save us from the self-anointed do-gooders.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Not really any difference.
The accepted term for people that do not purchase insurance coverage is 'self insured' regardless of the reason.
In the case of those that could but just won't, and can't provide an afidavit indicating ability, a fine is appropriate as long as the monies from these fines are put in the health care 'drawer'
Insurance covers those people who go to doctors. If I never go to the doctor, the premiums are paying for some hypochondriac malingerer to constantly be in the doctor's office, instead of being out in the world earning his keep.
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Old 08-14-2009, 09:19 AM
 
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Give me a break. The insurance industry makes a profit--so what? For you leftists profit equals greed. It's that kind of moralistic calculus that made Soviet bloc nations, North Korea, Cuba, China and Viet Nam a living hell for millions upon millions of people. God save us from the self-anointed do-gooders.
Yet they have no problems with their idol movie stars and movie companies making extreme incomes. In fact, they drool and praise them everytime they speak.

"Hello, my name is <insert actor> and I really understand the plight of the average American you see, I play one on TV."
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