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Old 08-19-2009, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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When you buy something do you expect to get what you pay for? When the government is paying for end-of-life counseling what do you think they're paying for? The same government whose primary focus is to reduce the cost of health care wants to pay for this service out of altruism? Your head's in the sand if you believe that.
They are paying for people getting education about living wills, medical power of attorney, hospice care, nursing home care, etc. When you go into the hospital, you will be asked if you have these documents and if you have made these decisions. It's way better to have done them in advance. You would be surprised how many people have never thought of this stuff, think medicare pays for nursing home care (they don't except under very limited circumstances), and so forth.

 
Old 08-19-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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When you buy something do you expect to get what you pay for? When the government is paying for end-of-life counseling what do you think they're paying for? The same government whose primary focus is to reduce the cost of health care wants to pay for this service out of altruism? Your head's in the sand if you believe that.
Well gosh, why don't we ask the subject of this thread what she thinks about end-of-life counseling. .
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Alaska Governor Sean Parnell

WHEREAS, Healthcare Decisions Day is designed to raise public awareness of the need to plan ahead for healthcare decisions, related to end of life care and medical decision-making whenever patients are unable to speak for themselves and to encourage the specific use of advance directives to communicate these important healthcare decisions. WHEREAS, in Alaska, Alaska Statute 13.52 provides the specifics of the advance directives law and offers a model form for patient use.

WHEREAS, it is estimated that only about 20 percent of people in Alaska have executed an advance directive. Moreover, it is estimated that less than 50 percent of severely or terminally ill patients have an advance directive.

WHEREAS, it is likely that a significant reason for these low percentages is that there is both a lack of knowledge and considerable confusion in the public about Advance Directives.

WHEREAS, one of the principal goals of Healthcare Decisions Day is to encourage hospitals, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, continuing care retirement communities, and hospices to participate in a statewide effort to provide clear and consistent information to the public about advance directives, as well as to encourage medical professionals and lawyers to volunteer their time and efforts to improve public knowledge and increase the number of Alaska’s citizens with advance directives.

WHEREAS, the Foundation for End of Life Care in Juneau, Alaska, and other organizations throughout the United States have endorsed this event and are committed to educating the public about the importance of discussing healthcare choices and executing advance directives.

WHEREAS, as a result of April 16, 2008, being recognized as Healthcare Decisions Day in Alaska, more citizens will have conversations about their healthcare decisions; more citizens will execute advance directives to make their wishes known; and fewer families and healthcare providers will have to struggle with making difficult healthcare decisions in the absence of guidance from the patient.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, Sarah Palin, Governor of the state of Alaska, do hereby proclaim April 16, 2008, as:

Healthcare Decisions Day in Alaska, and I call this observance to the attention of all our citizens.

Dated: April 16, 2008
What's that you say? There's an actual statute in Alaska about end-of-life issues?? And the state of Alaska participates in the Medicaid program that pays for citizens' health care? No WAY! That would be like the state of Alaska having a DEATH PANEL!!!

Alaska Statutes: AS 13.52. Health Care Decisions Act

I'm still waiting for you to provide a link to that "guide" you said is out there.
 
Old 08-21-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Republican Senator Johnny Isakson from Georgia:

"I just had a phone call where someone said Sarah Palin's web site had talked about the House bill having death panels on it where people would be euthanized. How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts."

Ezra Klein - Is the Government Going to Euthanize your Grandmother? An Interview With Sen. Johnny Isakson.
Why would ANYONE be so crazy as to believe the government tells the truth!

From the original Socialist InSecurity Act of 1935
Social Security Online - History
INCOME TAX ON EMPLOYEES

SECTION 801. In addition to other taxes, there shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 811) received by him after
December 31, 1936, with respect to employment (as defined in section 811) after such date:
(1) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1937, 1938, and 1939, the rate shall be 1 per centum.
(2) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1940, 1941, and 1942, the rate shall 1 1/2 per centum.
(3) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1943, 1944, and 1945, the rate shall be 2 per centum.
(4) With respect to employment during the calendar years 1946, 1947, and 1948, the rate shall be 2 1/2 per centum.
(5) With respect to employment after December 31, 1948, the rate shall be 3 per centum.

SEE?
Only 3% will be taken by the Socialist Insecurity administration...
(wink, wink, nod, nod)

73 years later, the rate has increased five fold... 410% increase.

The Social Security tax rate for 2009 is 15.3 percent on self-employment income up to $106,800. If your net earnings exceed $106,800, you continue to pay only the Medicare portion of the Social Security tax, which is 2.9 percent, on the rest of your earnings.

("Employed" workers pay half - and their "Employers" pay the other half)

[Currently, it is estimated that each recipient is supported by 2.5 taxpayers. When that drops to 2 taxpayers, 66% will be supporting 33%. Oh joy!!!]

Why won't OBAMA end the cap on SocSec taxes, and tax 15.3% upon the taxable income of billionaires? Oh, right, only the "little people" pay the bulk of taxes.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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[quote=sickofnyc;10262805]Here's a partial list...


The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.


1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba


Well, maybe we should attempt to emulate France's version, considering the fact they they rank #1 and we rank #37.

The World Health Organization's ranking of the world's health systems[/QUOTE

I wonder if all those nations at the top had anything to do with the rankings how acurate are this finding. are they anything like the united nation.American dont trust a big U.S.GOVERNMENT why would we trust an even bigger world government such as the world health org.
 
Old 08-22-2009, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Indiana
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No matter what President Obama does or does not do, for one thing we can be eternally grateful. He prevented this foolish, foolish woman from being one heartbeat away from the presidency. The fact that McCain cynically put this country at such risk has cost him the last ounce of respect I had for him.
no matter what president obamba does he will be rember along side with stalin, hitler,marx,musalini they all wanted to force thier type of government on the world and now obamba wants to unite the world what an ignorant fool to think he can do that
 
Old 08-22-2009, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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no matter what president obamba does he will be rember along side with stalin, hitler,marx,musalini they all wanted to force thier type of government on the world and now obamba wants to unite the world what an ignorant fool to think he can do that
Marx was a philosopher. He wasn't a politician or dictator.
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