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Your tax dollars! You never spent a nickle for a birth in Minnesota. Your entire post is a lie.
Please refer to this page to see how Minnesota spends its FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS (which come out of MY pocket). Minnesota Budget Project - Federal Fiscal Relief (http://www.mncn.org/bp/fedfiscal.htm - broken link)
Ah....so...you are covered under the VA.
Whether you want to go there or not, that is worlds apart from someone that has NO coverage anywhere.
You have a safety net, they don't.
Going to a VA clinic is tantamount to swallowing a handful of cyanide. I would not let those people touch me under any circumstances. They will never, never, never have anything to do with me or my well being or my "so called" health care. Ever. End of story.
I think your imagination is running away from you, Branson, but it's an interesting theory. I double-checked the story. The surgeon nicked the common iliac artery during a laporoscopic appendectomy. The young woman died from exsanguination when the surgical team was unable to stop the bleeding. While not unknown, obviously, what happened to this patient is extremely rare. Also, surgeons never pick up instruments from a tray. The scrub nurse is responsible for handing over the scalpel, so the surgeon can keep his eyes on the patient.
For the record, MyDeathSpace isn't exactly a credible source of information.
Thank you for the clarification. It was the best thing I could come up with. LOL. Anyway, the bottom line remains the same. The doctor screwed up and a 16 year old girl died. That is really all I need to know.
I've been reading this thread and have my opinions on the comments posted by 20yrsinBranson, as well as some of the other posters.
1)You make some valid points as it pertains to personal responsibilities. I do not think it is fair for some ignorant, poor individual to pop out children when she is not able to afford it, and expect society to pay for it. Some personal responsibilities are in order there. A better option would be after her 1st child is for the government to pay her $10,000 but in return she has to agree to get fixed. There, no more kids, and no additional burden to the tax payers.
2) I am sorry, but your post where you refer to "only caring about american lives and not Iraqui's lives" is really cold, heartless, and selfish. That is terrible.
3) I do agree about making choices in lives where you minimize your risk of being hospitalized, or injured. Be serious though, with the exception of high risk activities such as climbing mountains, and other obvious dangerous activities, are you going to deprive yourself of living. If that is the case, you might as well stay inside all day, don't drive, don't even exercise; there are risks involved in all those activities. All in all, I get your point though.
4)Antredd, I agree with your post about rising health insurance and the option of deducting 1-2% of a persons salary for coverage. I believe they have a similiar system in Australia. Eventually, it will get to the point where people who are currently paying for health insurance today will opt out of it due to consuming a HUGE portion of their paycheck. Heck, it is already happening. I know of a few individuals who have decided to do away with paying the high monthly payments of health insurance and put some of that money away in some type of bank account for medical purpose.
When the high cost of health insurance begins to greatly affect an individuals quality of life, they will take a chance and drop it. Why worry about some catastrophe that may happen down the road, when they could barely pay the bills and have little if any discretionary money to spend.
This is already happening, and will continue to happen. You can be certain of that if the insurance premiums keep rising at the rate that it is today.
Oh, let me add this. Even though many are paying what I consider to be EXPENSIVE INSURANCE, if they are hospitalized and are required tests, MRI, etc. even though they are insured, they still have to pay deductibles, and/or a percentage of the tests etc. So even with insurance, lots of out of pocket money to be paid.
I will conclude with this thought. Even though at the present time I am paying a portion of my health insurance (employer contributes as well), if push comes to shove I will do without. I have before, and I will again if necessary. Yes, it is about taking chances and risks, but if with my current salary I have to contribute another 10-15% more than I am now, I am dropping it. Like 20yrsinBranson mentioned, I too (even with health insurance) try to live a healthy lifestyle and avoid unnecessary risk. Yes, I do drive, fly, exercise, have fun, but I am not into wreckless behavior. I too believe that too many people go to the doctors or hospitals for little boo boo and small coughs. Many times people can suck it up, whether being an injury, or minor illness, it is not always necessary to see a doctor. But again, it is a business and many people will always say even for the slightest illness, "go see a doctor". Just like me, many people will draw a line when they will stop paying for health coverage.
I wish the administration would stop saying that because, even though my family enjoys our healthcare plan right now, what's to stop the company that provides our healthcare plan choices from dropping healthcare coverage altogether because a public option becomes reality. It will save companies millions, if not billions if they don't have to get involved in healthcare.
I just wish they'd be realistic and stop saying such rubbish.
If Obama were to admit that his plan would abolish private insurance, the plan's approval ratings would drop below 30%. His own (rapidly dropping) approval rating would go even lower. You are correct that his claim about keeping your plan is utter BS. If your family were forced into an authoritarian Government run plan, you wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much.
UHC is a failure everywhere it has been tried. It leads to lower quality care, longer waits, less incentives to go into Medicine and related fields, and less R&D. The majority of innovations in Healthcare occur here in the US. I can't even name one famous Medical Center outside America. Look at what we have here: Mayo, CCF, Hopkins, MGH, Brigham, MD Anderson... the list goes on. Why do wealthy international people come here for treatment?
If Government can pay for Healthcare and save companies Billions, why not have the Government pay employees' salaries as well? Why not pay companies' rent and property taxes as well?
The Government has no major revenue source besides taxes, borrowing (worse than taxing) and printing (worst of all). 'Free' Healthcare is anything but.
UHC is a failure everywhere it has been tried. It leads to lower quality care, longer waits, less incentives to go into Medicine and related fields, and less R&D. The majority of innovations in Healthcare occur here in the US. I can't even name one famous Medical Center outside America. Look at what we have here: Mayo, CCF, Hopkins, MGH, Brigham, MD Anderson... the list goes on. Why do wealthy international people come here for treatment?
If Government can pay for Healthcare and save companies Billions, why not have the Government pay employees' salaries as well? Why not pay companies' rent and property taxes as well?
The Government has no major revenue source besides taxes, borrowing (worse than taxing) and printing (worst of all). 'Free' Healthcare is anything but.
Are you crazy? Do you even READ? Do you know how many pharmaceutical companies are not american? Do you know that not one US company is working on a swine flu vaccine? Wealthy, international people come here to the US for SOME treatments just as some wealthy americans go international for other treatments. All you have to do is read one issue of Scientific American and see how much research and breakthroughs come from other countries beside the US.
In 2003 the State of Missouri paid for 33,436 Medicaid births, according to Total Medicaid Births - Kaiser State Health Facts. In Georgia it was 67,637, in New York it was 102,340. Nationwide the figure was 1,495,266.
It's bad enough that my tax dollars are going to pay for people to have children who cannot AFFORD to have children; cannot afford to raise children, feed children or educate children properly, but now the government wants me to pay for UNINSURED people to have children too?
Most insurance companies will not pay to have a face lift. They will not pay to have breast implants because they say that this is an ELECTIVE PROCEDURE. In other words, it is matter of CHOICE and is not required to continue the health and wellness of the person.
CAN YOU TELL ME ANY PROCEDURE THAT IS MORE ELECTIVE than having a baby? Is there ANYONE out there who honestly believes that people MUST have babies in order to remain healthy and well?
In a world that is grossly overpopulated by more than 6.5 billion people, some of them starving for lack of food, dying of exposure, disease and forced to drink putrid water, HOW DARE anyone ask me to finance someone who intends to have a child but cannot pay for it themselves.
How Dare They.
I will NEVER support this legislation, and if there is ANY opportunity to opt out of the system if/when it is put into effect, I wll do so IMMEDIATELY and lobby everybody I know to do the same.
How Dare They.
20yrsinBranson
Don't worry, as soon as this country passes universal healthcare we will have every program that Europe has to be officially socialist. Once we are socialist I guarantee most of the "whites" will have less children and the only people that will be procreating are the minorities and the illegal immigrants we will allow into our country so that these migrant workers can pay the high income tax that we will need to support the rest of the non-working population.
If you want to know what the future of the US will look like... just look at Europe, they are our future.
I would respectfully ask of your last comment that "you can take care of yourself," can you treat yourself for cancer? What if you are in a car wreck and break a bunch of bones? What if you are walking down the street and a flower pot falls on your head giving you a concussion.
Seriously, everyone should take care of themselves to be as healthy as possible but there is always the unforeseen. That's why so many people wind up losing their homes and filing for bankruptcy because they can't pay their medical bills.
Sing it! A very good friend of mine was out on disability for knee surgery. A couple of weeks before going back to work she was on crutches crossing the street and was hit by a car. The person who hit her was insured but only to a max of 15K. This didn't quite cover her tests and ambulance ride. She is now out of work for much longer and not quite sure how the rest of her medical bills will be covered.
For those that THINK they can cover themselves, check into the prices of some very common procedures. Gall stone surgery? Mine was 18K (actually a little higher). Colononscopy? Not done in a hospital was over $900. Your bills can reach the cost of a home quite quickly.
Are you crazy? Do you even READ? Do you know how many pharmaceutical companies are not american? Do you know that not one US company is working on a swine flu vaccine? Wealthy, international people come here to the US for SOME treatments just as some wealthy americans go international for other treatments. All you have to do is read one issue of Scientific American and see how much research and breakthroughs come from other countries beside the US.
Yes, there are Pharma companies headquartered outside of America, but they all have major R & D operations here (sometimes larger than their R & D operation at home). We, literally, OWN the Biotechnology industry. If our Healthcare is such a joke, why did Chris Dodd have his prostate Surgery performed at Sloan Kettering?
Most of the medical and pharmaceutical innovations occur HERE. Look at the list of Nobel winners in Medicine and Physiology, as just one example. Roughly 60% of the recipients have been American citizens over the past 20 years. We have about 1/2 of the 20 largest Pharma companies and 16 of the 20 largest Biotechs.
I'm certain there are a lot more wealthy foreign residents coming to America for top notch care than the reverse.
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