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Old 08-14-2009, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Despite Rush Limbaugh's rampage against the formerly (sigh) proposed Medicare coverage for end-of-life directives, he evidently doesn't even believe his own rhetoric. Either that, or he's an enormous hypocrite and liar, who will do anything for a buck. Turns out, Rush did at least one voiceover ad last year for legalzoom.com, for which he promoted that the website can help people to create legal documents, such as living wills. (Yes, living wills and end-of-life directives are synonymous.)

Last weekend, Newt Gingrich appeared on ABC's This Week, where he adamantly defended Sarah Palin's "death panel" comments from last week. Evidently, he had forgotten that he recently wrote a blog entry for the Washington Post in which he openly praised end-of-life practices through community-wide advance care directives, and he acknowledged the tens of billions of dollars per year that Medicare could save if the majority of patients had end-of-life directives in place.

Enter Sarah Palin. We've all heard about/read her facebook soapbox statements from last week and today, comparing the formerly proposed Medicare coverage of end-of-life consultations to "death panels" and selective euthanasia. Well, apparently Ms. Hypocriteliar was for end-of-life directives before she was against them. As Governor of Alaska, she proclaimed that April 16, 2008 was to be recognized as "Healthcare Decisions Day" in Alaska, which was enacted for the sole purpose of promoting the importance of end-of-life discussions between Alaskan citizens and their doctors/lawyers. As a further insult to thinking people who've seen her recent lies for what they are, her Healthcare Decisions Day proclamation has recently been removed from her website, which proves that her recent statements are entirely political in nature, and that she's intentionally lying and fear-mongering.

It's a sad, sad commentary on the state of the Republican party when three of its current 'leaders' (also sad) have been exposed within the past week for flip-flopping on the issue of end-of-life directives/living wills and for spreading malicious lies that they absolutely know are untrue, and have each, in fact, publicly endorsed within the past year.

Rachel Maddow Show

Gingrich defends Palin's 'death panels' - George's Bottom Line

Health Care Rx: Across the Country, Some Systems Are Getting It Right - Newt Gingrich

Think Progress » For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor
Thanks for providing such an informative post!
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:26 AM
 
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Alaska Governor Sean Parnell
Healthcare Decisions Day, from alaska's press archive.
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:28 AM
 
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Despite Rush Limbaugh's rampage against the formerly (sigh) proposed Medicare coverage for end-of-life directives, he evidently doesn't even believe his own rhetoric. Either that, or he's an enormous hypocrite and liar, who will do anything for a buck. Turns out, Rush did at least one voiceover ad last year for legalzoom.com, for which he promoted that the website can help people to create legal documents, such as living wills. (Yes, living wills and end-of-life directives are synonymous.)

Last weekend, Newt Gingrich appeared on ABC's This Week, where he adamantly defended Sarah Palin's "death panel" comments from last week. Evidently, he had forgotten that he recently wrote a blog entry for the Washington Post in which he openly praised end-of-life practices through community-wide advance care directives, and he acknowledged the tens of billions of dollars per year that Medicare could save if the majority of patients had end-of-life directives in place.

Enter Sarah Palin. We've all heard about/read her facebook soapbox statements from last week and today, comparing the formerly proposed Medicare coverage of end-of-life consultations to "death panels" and selective euthanasia. Well, apparently Ms. Hypocriteliar was for end-of-life directives before she was against them. As Governor of Alaska, she proclaimed that April 16, 2008 was to be recognized as "Healthcare Decisions Day" in Alaska, which was enacted for the sole purpose of promoting the importance of end-of-life discussions between Alaskan citizens and their doctors/lawyers. As a further insult to thinking people who've seen her recent lies for what they are, her Healthcare Decisions Day proclamation has recently been removed from her website, which proves that her recent statements are entirely political in nature, and that she's intentionally lying and fear-mongering.

It's a sad, sad commentary on the state of the Republican party when three of its current 'leaders' (also sad) have been exposed within the past week for flip-flopping on the issue of end-of-life directives/living wills and for spreading malicious lies that they absolutely know are untrue, and have each, in fact, publicly endorsed within the past year.

Rachel Maddow Show

Gingrich defends Palin's 'death panels' - George's Bottom Line

Health Care Rx: Across the Country, Some Systems Are Getting It Right - Newt Gingrich

Think Progress » For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor
Wow. I can only wonder how low these people will stoop. What have they brought to the table in regards to health care reform other than blatant deceit and misinformation? Instead of intelligent debate and plausible ideas they are on a crusade to instill irrational fear.

Will FOX mention any of these amazing flip-flops? I highly doubt it. Facts can't be allowed to interfere with brainwashing.
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Old 08-14-2009, 02:30 AM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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Besides, this part of the legislation is being hacked off anyhow. I'd say nobody cares now...
Wrong. A lot of people care about it.

Just because it's being removed, due to a bunch of screaming morons who are too stupid to realize that they're adamantly opposing a section of legislation that was proposed to promote responsible medical care directives and to save them each about $100 (and to save Medicare billions) when they eventually have a specific doctor's appointment that most of them will most certainly have sometime in the future, doesn't mean no one cares now.

Thinking people are just shaking their heads that it became necessary (for the sake of peace) for a very important, very useful, fiscally responsible section of legislation to be removed, due to a bunch of ignorant loudmouths' vehement opposition of said legislation, even though said loudmouths clearly didn't understand the meaning of the proposed legislation.

Meanwhile, the ignorant fools who just cut of their collective noses to spite our collective faces will probably sleep better tonight, unaware of the fact that due to their fundamental lack of critical judgment, they just gave up a little bit of extra Medicare coverage for no good reason, whatsoever, and they just cost American taxpayers tens of billions of dollars a year in Medicare funds that could've been saved through the enactment of the very important, highly innocuous proposed legislation.

Yes, well done, Republicans...

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Old 08-14-2009, 02:40 AM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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Thanks for providing such an informative post!
No problem. When I first heard about all of this today (not the lies, but the flip-flopping), I was supremely p*ssed. I couldn't believe that these people would stoop this low. But, then I realized who we're talking about, and now all I can do is shake my head. Not at Limbaugh, Gingrich and Palin, per say, but at the fact that there are so many ignorant people in this country, that these three lying hypocrites are the spokespeople for the Republican party. It's sad, disturbing, disgusting, maddening, pathetic...I could go on, but I won't...

Anyway, I wanted to give you a rep point for a couple of your previous posts in this thread, but it wouldn't let me because I've given you reps too recently!
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:30 PM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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Wow. I can only wonder how low these people will stoop. What have they brought to the table in regards to health care reform other than blatant deceit and misinformation? Instead of intelligent debate and plausible ideas they are on a crusade to instill irrational fear.

Will FOX mention any of these amazing flip-flops? I highly doubt it. Facts can't be allowed to interfere with brainwashing.
It wouldn't matter even if FOX did expose the lies, because the people who follow Rush and Palin obviously lack critical thinking skills, or they wouldn't have been so gullible as to fall for the ridiculous, obvious lies in the first place. I mean, seriously..."death panels"? Think about the type of people who believe this stuff. Do you really think that exposing the lies on FOX would make one bit of difference? Not that FOX would ever dream of airing such an expose...
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:35 PM
 
Location: California
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These folks are not opposed to it at all. And the fact that it was removed from any bills being considered no has nothing to do with them fearing anything. It's part of the plan to systematically call into question anything and everything the Obama administration proposes, get people to doubt and question, keep folks off balance, and make sure they have no trust or faith in the President at all. That way (and that's the ONLY way) they hope the GOP can seize power again in 2012.

All the "issues" are smoke screens. Nobody is looking out for the best interest of American citizens or the USA.
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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you are the opposite of Winston Smith.
That's an impressive observation, since Winston Smith's character went from an opponent to submissive mouse. Which extreme are you referring to?

Let me help you - - -
I am anti-socialist.
I abhor socialism, the scheme to rob people of their inalienable rights to life, liberty and private property ownership.
I abhor socialists, who think they're the moral pinnacle because they rob St. Peter to pay St. Paul.
I think that they are so self deluded, that they don't dare read the organic documents that founded the governments of these united States. Because if they did, they would have to denounce themselves as enemies of the people of the U.S.A.

Here's one clue:
Amendment V, US Constitution 1789
... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

PRIVATE PROPERTY - "As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217
Since 1935, and the institution of "voluntary" national socialism, Americans have surrendered their birthright to absolutely own private property, and only hold qualified ownership of estate.

Consider that if one fails to pay his socialist taxes, the government takes his property and does not pay just compensation.

So either the property in question is NOT private property, or the government no longer obeys the FIFTH amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

The simplest explanation is that no one owns private property in this socialist paradise.

SOCIALISM - A political and economic theory advocating collective ownership of the means of production and control of distribution. It is based upon the belief that all, while contributing to the good of the community, are equally entitled to the care and protection which the community can provide.
--- Webster's dictionary

And it is a very very short step to communism, and the complete abolishment of private property rights of the individual.

COMMUNISM - the ownership of property, or means of production, distribution and supply, by the whole of a classless society, with wealth shared on the principle of 'to each according to his need', each yielding fully 'according to his ability'.
- - - Webster's Dictionary.

If collective ownership is what you want, that's your choice, but do not presume to force it upon others, or perpetrate a fraud to get their consent.

Socialists are pirates - the bane of all mankind.
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:32 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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It's all about the ratings. And they have become a magnet for every racist and wingnut in this country.
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:37 PM
 
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Why must u ppl talk about a non-issue? Its been removed from the bill,,, so get over it.. it includes u liberals too...
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