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Old 08-25-2009, 11:45 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Despite Rush Limbaugh's rampage against the formerly (sigh) proposed Medicare coverage for end-of-life directives, he evidently doesn't even believe his own rhetoric. Either that, or he's an enormous hypocrite and liar, who will do anything for a buck. Turns out, Rush did at least one voiceover ad last year for legalzoom.com, for which he promoted that the website can help people to create legal documents, such as living wills. (Yes, living wills and end-of-life directives are synonymous.)
Oh, give me a break! Legal documents such as preparing a will, or a "living will" are not the same thing as what was being proposed by this so-called "health care" bill (which isn't health care at all)! Besides, those are privately decided by choice.

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Last weekend, Newt Gingrich appeared on ABC's This Week, where he adamantly defended Sarah Palin's "death panel" comments from last week. Evidently, he had forgotten that he recently wrote a blog entry for the Washington Post in which he openly praised end-of-life practices through community-wide advance care directives, and he acknowledged the tens of billions of dollars per year that Medicare could save if the majority of patients had end-of-life directives in place.
Based on your first comment, I'm sure you have misconstrued and misunderstood Newt as well. You liberals never get anything sttraight, but I think you do this on purpose.

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Enter Sarah Palin. We've all heard about/read her facebook soapbox statements from last week and today, comparing the formerly proposed Medicare coverage of end-of-life consultations to "death panels" and selective euthanasia. Well, apparently Ms. Hypocriteliar was for end-of-life directives before she was against them. As Governor of Alaska, she proclaimed that April 16, 2008 was to be recognized as "Healthcare Decisions Day" in Alaska, which was enacted for the sole purpose of promoting the importance of end-of-life discussions between Alaskan citizens and their doctors/lawyers. As a further insult to thinking people who've seen her recent lies for what they are, her Healthcare Decisions Day proclamation has recently been removed from her website, which proves that her recent statements are entirely political in nature, and that she's intentionally lying and fear-mongering.

It's a sad, sad commentary on the state of the Republican party when three of its current 'leaders' (also sad) have been exposed within the past week for flip-flopping on the issue of end-of-life directives/living wills and for spreading malicious lies that they absolutely know are untrue, and have each, in fact, publicly endorsed within the past year.
Sorry. I'm not buying your baloney, especially when I look at your posted links. Who is Rachel Maddow? And "Think Progress"? Please. Anything from that organization is automatically suspect, and most likely a lie. Give me a break! We are not stupid. You can eat that garbage up if you want to though. Be my guest.

The "Death Panel" section has been pulled. Thanks to Sarah Palin who brought attention to it. If had been a lie, how could it be pulled? But they announced that they had pulled it from the bill. Gee, ...it must have been true, huh?

Rachel Maddow Show

Gingrich defends Palin's 'death panels' - George's Bottom Line

Health Care Rx: Across the Country, Some Systems Are Getting It Right - Newt Gingrich

Think Progress » For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor[/quote]
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Like you said, Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity will do ANYTHING for a buck because they have no scruples. I don't know if you know this but Hannity has a voiceover advertisement promoting GM, the evil government owned company.
Right. They have "no scruples". And Obama is a Saint, and wants nothing but the best for your health care, and for America. That's why he wants to control it for you, so that you don't have to worry about anything. Just let the Government do it. "Honest Obama" will take care of everything for you.

Meanwhile, the deficit is climbing, our debt is climbing, unemployment is climbing, inflation is climbing, the Dow is down (oh, yeah, it has a slight up-tick from time to time), energy prices are soaring and expected to continue to soar (especially with the threat of "Cap and Trade"), banks aren't loaning money, we are told that there will be no Social Security cost of living increase for the next two years, but the government is giving money away to others for everything from cars, to mortgage bail outs.

In the words of Clinton/Gore, "Everything that should be DOWN is UP, and everything that should be UP is DOWN".

Ever hear this one? "Its the economy, stupid!" This is the Obama economy, and it isn't going to improve until this scum bag is out of office. That's if we even have a country left. I'm not hopeful. Fascism appears to be the way of the future of America. Thank you, Obama, for destroying our country.
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Old 08-25-2009, 12:06 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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What, a repubthug lie? Shocking I tell you just shocking...
You would believe anything, dukie"boy". How can people be so naive?
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Hangin' with the bears.
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But wait, the NEW reformed health care system will hire thousands and thousands of new bureaucrats and churn out reams of rules and regulations that will MAKE those greedy physicians work for less and less - or else!
Jet, honey, settle down. No NEW bureaucrats or reams of rules and regulations will be necessary to discuss end of life options with any Medicare beneficiary. The practice is in place, is done with all Medicare beneficiaries or their representatives when they are admitted into a hospital that accept Medicare payment (90+% do) and is in fact a mandatory practice in those hospitals. The only thing the Medicare policy is changing regarding this issue is payment to physicians for the time they spent discussing the issue. Those greedy physicians work load won't be affect at all since this is already part of their work load.

Relax and no more coffee for you!
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Old 08-25-2009, 01:30 PM
 
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Oh, give me a break! Legal documents such as preparing a will, or a "living will" are not the same thing as what was being proposed by this so-called "health care" bill (which isn't health care at all)! Besides, those are privately decided by choice.
As did the so-called death panels. It was placed in their by a pro-life Republican who has been advocating end of life consultation for years, which encompasses living wills. It was strictly voluntary and the consultation expenses would have been covered under Medicare. People had a right to not partake in it.

Where in the bill did in mandate that every person receive end of life consultation?
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Old 08-26-2009, 09:24 AM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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Oh, give me a break! Legal documents such as preparing a will, or a "living will" are not the same thing as what was being proposed by this so-called "health care" bill (which isn't health care at all)! Besides, those are privately decided by choice.



Based on your first comment, I'm sure you have misconstrued and misunderstood Newt as well. You liberals never get anything sttraight, but I think you do this on purpose.



Sorry. I'm not buying your baloney, especially when I look at your posted links. Who is Rachel Maddow? And "Think Progress"? Please. Anything from that organization is automatically suspect, and most likely a lie. Give me a break! We are not stupid. You can eat that garbage up if you want to though. Be my guest.

The "Death Panel" section has been pulled. Thanks to Sarah Palin who brought attention to it. If had been a lie, how could it be pulled? But they announced that they had pulled it from the bill. Gee, ...it must have been true, huh?
Oh, for the love...

Get a friggin clue. You're simply embarrassing yourself with your blatant ignorance regarding the items you've attempted (<----operative word) to refute, and with your truly uninformed arguments, otherwise.

It's so unbelievably tiring, reading ignorant posts/arguments/responses such as yours, regarding this subject. You very clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, even though you make lame attempts to accuse others, namely Democrats, of being as ignorant on this topic as you obviously are.
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Old 08-27-2009, 05:49 PM
 
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Smile Limbaugh's, Gingrich's and Palin's "Death Panel" and "Selective Euthanasia" LIES EXPOSED...

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It's a sad, sad commentary on the state of the Republican party when three of its current 'leaders' (also sad) have been exposed within the past week for flip-flopping on the issue of end-of-life directives/living wills and for spreading malicious lies that they absolutely know are untrue, and have each, in fact, publicly endorsed within the past year.
Actually, what Rush is NOT telling his fans is that current systems of health care ALREADY HAVE DEATH PANELS and have had them for years. HMOs like Kaiser Permanente have had what constitutes "death panels" for years. Of course, the language is couched in terms such as "bioethics" so the general public does not understand what they are getting into when they sign an HMO agreement. HMOs are already FORCING patients to sign end of life directives. In Obama's plan, no one will be FORCED to sign end of life directives in order to be insured.

HTML clipboard Also, back in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court limited state laws (http://tinyurl.com/mx5pda - broken link) that allow you, as a patient, TO SUE your HMO for delaying or failing to provide care. This was NOT a conservative decision--conservatives are generally for rather than against States rights. This was a NAZI decision. Until I read the 1997 book "Culture of Death" by William Smith, I had no idea we had a "duty to die!"


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Old 08-27-2009, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Saturn
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Despite Rush Limbaugh's rampage against the formerly (sigh) proposed Medicare coverage for end-of-life directives, he evidently doesn't even believe his own rhetoric. Either that, or he's an enormous hypocrite and liar, who will do anything for a buck. Turns out, Rush did at least one voiceover ad last year for legalzoom.com, for which he promoted that the website can help people to create legal documents, such as living wills. (Yes, living wills and end-of-life directives are synonymous.)

Last weekend, Newt Gingrich appeared on ABC's This Week, where he adamantly defended Sarah Palin's "death panel" comments from last week. Evidently, he had forgotten that he recently wrote a blog entry for the Washington Post in which he openly praised end-of-life practices through community-wide advance care directives, and he acknowledged the tens of billions of dollars per year that Medicare could save if the majority of patients had end-of-life directives in place.

Enter Sarah Palin. We've all heard about/read her facebook soapbox statements from last week and today, comparing the formerly proposed Medicare coverage of end-of-life consultations to "death panels" and selective euthanasia. Well, apparently Ms. Hypocriteliar was for end-of-life directives before she was against them. As Governor of Alaska, she proclaimed that April 16, 2008 was to be recognized as "Healthcare Decisions Day" in Alaska, which was enacted for the sole purpose of promoting the importance of end-of-life discussions between Alaskan citizens and their doctors/lawyers. As a further insult to thinking people who've seen her recent lies for what they are, her Healthcare Decisions Day proclamation has recently been removed from her website, which proves that her recent statements are entirely political in nature, and that she's intentionally lying and fear-mongering.

It's a sad, sad commentary on the state of the Republican party when three of its current 'leaders' (also sad) have been exposed within the past week for flip-flopping on the issue of end-of-life directives/living wills and for spreading malicious lies that they absolutely know are untrue, and have each, in fact, publicly endorsed within the past year.

Rachel Maddow Show

Gingrich defends Palin's 'death panels' - George's Bottom Line

Health Care Rx: Across the Country, Some Systems Are Getting It Right - Newt Gingrich

Think Progress » For ‘Death Panels’ Before She Was Against Them? Palin Endorsed End Of Life Counseling As Governor

It is shocking that any person would take at face value any statements attributed to Palin, Limburgh or Gingrich.

Then again they're Americans, speaking to an American audience.

More evidence of the USA being dumbed down.
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Old 08-29-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Jet, honey, settle down. No NEW bureaucrats or reams of rules and regulations will be necessary to discuss end of life options with any Medicare beneficiary. The practice is in place, is done with all Medicare beneficiaries or their representatives when they are admitted into a hospital that accept Medicare payment (90+% do) and is in fact a mandatory practice in those hospitals. The only thing the Medicare policy is changing regarding this issue is payment to physicians for the time they spent discussing the issue. Those greedy physicians work load won't be affect at all since this is already part of their work load.

Relax and no more coffee for you!
If we believe you, then we should observe the consequences of the "War on Poverty" of the 1960s. That boondoggle caused a sudden upsurge in administrative overhead, as "Social Workers" and bureaucrats swelled the ranks.
My friend's older brother, when he graduated with a "Sociology" degree, got hired as an entry level commissar for the local State Welfare agency. He told us, "I'm set for life...." --- of course, poverty has not been eradicated, but increased.

Frankly, no bureaucracy ever solved a problem that would negate their reason to exist. No bureaucrat will commit job suicide.

Government makes nothing but more government.
Government gives nothing but that which was taken from someone else.

An elephant is a mouse built to government specifications.

Any excuse to increase taxes, increase spending and increase the size of government will never be ignored by the 'powers that bleed us'.

If government truly wanted us to have universal health care, they need to decriminalize the giving of care, decriminalize the purchase of medicine and medical machinery, expand medical training and education, and eliminate tort liability by "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back." (Patient can sign waiver of tort for lowest fees) At the least, it could stop taking taxes from health care workers who treat the poor, pro bono.
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