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Even the college you graduated from says that you should not be hired! The foreign students are better and the cost less. And they pay little taxes! Somebody please tell me this is a lie!
'In fact, a company may save money by hiring international students because the majority of them are exempt from Social Security (FICA) and Medicare tax requirements,' advises the taxpayer-supported University of Pittsburgh
It is not the place of the university to encourage employers to hire one group of people over another regardless of the law- which BTW is retarded if an amployer does not have to pay SS tax for a foreign national. What if they said "we have lots of minority females and if you hire them over minority males, you will get 2 points on your affirmative action goals vs just one with a minority male" can you imagine the HELL that would break loose?
Again, a fact is a fact. This handout from the university is basically an FAQ, and it was answering one of the questions:
"Even if it's legal to hire international students, won't it cost a lot of money and involve a lot of paperwork?
No. The only cost to the employer hiring international students is the time and effort to interview and select the best candidate for the job. The international office at the school handles the paperwork involved in securing the work authorization for F-1 and J-1 students. In fact, a company may save money by hiring international students because the majority of them are exempt from Social Security (FICA) and Medicare tax requirements."
It's not a persuasive paper to say employers should hire more international students than citizens. It's just explaining FACTS. You really seem in favor of a university covering up facts in a handout made to address them.
A handout explaining that you get more affirmative action points for hiring certain people over another is not automatically endorsing that. In fact, your hypothetical quote "we have lots of minority females and if you hire them over minority males, you will get 2 points on your affirmative action goals vs just one with a minority male" could easily be in a document arguing that affirmative action is wrong.
It is not the place of the university to encourage employers to hire one group of people over another regardless of the law- which BTW is retarded if an amployer does not have to pay SS tax for a foreign national. What if they said "we have lots of minority females and if you hire them over minority males, you will get 2 points on your affirmative action goals vs just one with a minority male" can you imagine the HELL that would break loose?
I did not get that impression at all. The SS and Medicare taxes were three sentences in an FAQ addressing the cost of hiring and that was it out of the whole three page document, hardly a central theme. Additionally, I did not see anywhere where the writer told employers to explicitly hire visa holders over citizens.
haha no i graduated from college awhile ago, but it is true. What i didn't point out is that most business could still hire American college student, but they'd just have to accept lower margins and much higher operational cost. Many small businesses would still have more than enough free-cash flow to make the sacrifice.
Side note i have a lot of international friends, that are finding a lot of work these days, that were previously grad students, that are really not having much trouble finding a company to pay them for the next 18 months.
haha no i graduated from college awhile ago, but it is true. What i didn't point out is that most business could still hire American college student, but they'd just have to accept lower margins and much higher operational cost. Many small businesses would still have more than enough free-cash flow to make the sacrifice.
What "small business", pray tell, would be searching for HB1 Visa candidates?
Oh btw the paper is not specifically "small businesses" anyway...
What "small business", pray tell, would be searching for HB1 Visa candidates?
Oh btw the paper is not specifically "small businesses" anyway...
Well 90% of the companies in this country are small business, so I'd take a gander that the majority of H1 Visa's are probably working with a small business.
The company operates in the IT industry. Eventually demand for Indian workers will make them much more expensive and the lack of demand for American workers will make them much cheaper. How long will that take? I'm not sure, but i kind of look at it, like i look at trading deficits. The higher demand for Indian workers will at some point make them more expensive and American workers more attractive to both Domestic and perhaps foreign countries. However, for this to happen the US needs to open up more H1 Visas, they are easy as hell to fill out and get approval on, but there's just not a lot of them out there. There is a quota on educated foreign IT workers. Larger companies like Microsoft are much better at getting these workers, because of lobbying efforts and overall benefits.
You can bring these guys over from a foreign country hire them and act as sort of a middle man for them to work at other companies etc. Basically not to be vague it operates like a staffing agency for foreign workers. You charge American rates to major companies that need the staffing for foreign labor that you pay 40k. Since it is staffing you don't pay medical cost and since they're foreign you don't pay social security or medicare. Much better business with higher profits in the late 90's when there was a shortage of IT professionals and companies paid top dollar to get these individuals. Their overall rates and market worth have obviously gone down significantly when the dot come bubble burst.
I am not really surprised that colleges and universities would do this as this has become the new American way. For years, politicians on both sides of the aisle have had to pay back big business and other special interests by voting for increasing visas for foreign workers so the companies could get cheap labor. Even during the economic downturn there are politicians who want to grant more visas to foreigners. There are plenty of unemployed Americans who work in IT, etc. who have lost their jobs to the insourcing of foreign workers. If our politicians refuse to do anything about this during an economic downturn then I doubt they will ever do anything about it. Whenever I contact my representatives about this I get the lies that they don't have enough Americans to do the work. BS. The foreigners are not "better" they cost less. It is economics and greed pure and simple.
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Originally Posted by KevK
Even the college you graduated from says that you should not be hired! The foreign students are better and the cost less. And they pay little taxes! Somebody please tell me this is a lie!
'In fact, a company may save money by hiring international students because the majority of them are exempt from Social Security (FICA) and Medicare tax requirements,' advises the taxpayer-supported University of Pittsburgh
How is this any different?
Do any of you people ever read history books?
This country has always been built on the backs of cheap immigrant labor.
1776-1863 it was the labor of blacks.
1863-1916 it was children, the Irish, the Italians and the Chinese.
1916-1941 it was Eastern Europeans
1941- it has been the newest wave of immigrants.
Seriously people, without cheap labor, the country cannot expand its economy.
Plus, it's amazing all the college bashing you people always do. Just because you weren't smart enough to go to college doesn't mean that colleges are evil. You're just not college material, only about 25% of the population really is.
And don't say you couldn't afford college, because my father had NO money and he has multiple degrees from top schools. My ex-girlfriend paid her own way at a school that cost $40,000/yr through loans and working 40+ hours a week as a waitress. I was offered a free education to the Naval Academy. There are PLENTY of ways to get an education without having money.
Considering how many are out of work NO foreign employees should be hired.
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