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Old 08-14-2009, 09:53 AM
 
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I have come to understand that Thomas Jefferson placed these words on the Declaration of Indepnedence, "that all men are created equal with certain inalienable rights that among these rights are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
It's not clear to me at this point if we as US citizens enjoy these rights under the US Constitution or even if these freedoms are considered protected under the Bill of Rights.
One thing is clear at this point, though, If we as US citizens to have the right to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the opposite is equally true, that no person has the right to prevent life and any stage of its' development and this alone makes abortion not only morally wrong but unconstitutional and illegal as well.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:26 AM
 
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I have come to understand that Thomas Jefferson placed these words on the Declaration of Indepnedence, "that all men are created equal with certain inalienable rights that among these rights are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
It's not clear to me at this point if we as US citizens enjoy these rights under the US Constitution or even if these freedoms are considered protected under the Bill of Rights.
One thing is clear at this point, though, If we as US citizens to have the right to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the opposite is equally true, that no person has the right to prevent life and any stage of its' development and this alone makes abortion not only morally wrong but unconstitutional and illegal as well.
An embryo is not a US citizen.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Georgia
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Yes it is. At the time of conception it should be protected.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:29 AM
 
Location: California
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Nice try at a translation but thats now how it works. Under the most strict circumstances you will find that women still have total control over their body and can/will do what they feel is best for them.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:30 AM
 
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Then they should not get pregnant if they do not want a child. Only in the case of rape,incest or mental or physical defect should anyone be allowed to abort.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I have come to understand that Thomas Jefferson placed these words on the Declaration of Indepnedence, "that all men are created equal with certain inalienable rights that among these rights are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
It's not clear to me at this point if we as US citizens enjoy these rights under the US Constitution or even if these freedoms are considered protected under the Bill of Rights.
One thing is clear at this point, though, If we as US citizens to have the right to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the opposite is equally true, that no person has the right to prevent life and any stage of its' development and this alone makes abortion not only morally wrong but unconstitutional and illegal as well.

Like it or not, the Supreme Court disagreed with you.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:33 AM
 
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I have come to understand that Thomas Jefferson placed these words on the Declaration of Indepnedence, "that all men are created equal with certain inalienable rights that among these rights are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
It's not clear to me at this point if we as US citizens enjoy these rights under the US Constitution or even if these freedoms are considered protected under the Bill of Rights.
One thing is clear at this point, though, If we as US citizens to have the right to life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the opposite is equally true, that no person has the right to prevent life and any stage of its' development and this alone makes abortion not only morally wrong but unconstitutional and illegal as well.

Also it doesn't say that women have "the right to life, liberty...." either.
So with your line of reasoning, we can deduce, um, what?
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:38 AM
 
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Then they should not get pregnant if they do not want a child. Only in the case of rape,incest or mental or physical defect should anyone be allowed to abort.
How can you make that exception? The child of a one-night stand is a citizen, the child of a rape isn't. That's inconsistent.

Anyway, the anti-abortion stance is an anti-woman stance. It rests on the premise that the woman seeking an abortion is either stupid, immoral, or incapable of making a rational decision. Personally, I don't think that women are that awful of a gender.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:38 AM
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Abortion is a demand problem, not a supply problem.

That is, people don't get abortions simply because they are available. Abortions are available because people want them.

While I find this distasteful, this is the dynamic at work.
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Old 08-14-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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um, that only the male embryos have the constitutional right to life. Females can be aborted.
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