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He wasnt talking about ordinary people, he was talking about the people and institutions that created the mess. The quote is easy to find and easy to understand, unless of course you dont want to admit the facts and do want to cling to hate-fantasy.
Then why was the context of his statement the grassroots (which they deny) involvement of American citizens in opposing his agenda. He (and Pelosi, as well as others), refers to them as "astroturf".
Sorry, but this man is purposely insulting all Americans who would dare to disagree with his agenda. This is the "Olinsky formula". It's obvious to anyone.
I know the quote. I have heard it with my own ears, along with the video with him holding the mic. You could read his lips and know that it wasn't contrived. He was referring to "us". We The People. American voices. And telling us to "shut up".
Disgusting, for an American President to do such a thing. But, then, he isn't an American. I do not believe that he is a citizen. He is a fraud. Born in Kenya. He has never produced anything to show that he is a citizen. And he has done everything to hide his identity. Why?
It means that, as usual, they are just parroting the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world. Most of them have no idea what they're saying. That's why they are such perfect targets for political manipulation by the right-wing (its politicians and industries). The Australian Porn King Rupert Murdoch, who owns FOX News (how's that for irony, all you right-wing Christians out there?) also owns right-wing politicians and is in economic league with insurance companies. Murdoch alone is responsible for the FOX engine that is fueling panic and fear among the less-educated right wing. Filled with the passion of jingoism--fueled by their corporate handlers (although they have no idea that they're being used as political pawns)--they feel empowered and "important." Hence: We have Katy Abram--the new "Joe the Plumber." Terrified of "losing" her "country." She's been so filled with fear by the lies she hears, she is constantly on the verge of crying--and has no idea, of course, that she's been had.
Speak for yourself. Just because we agree with a certain point of view does not mean that we are incapable of arriving at our own conclusions.
Do not insult my intelligence. I believe Rush is right, because he is right. Conservative principles are Americas founding principles. Rush (and a few others) articulate those principles exceptionally well. That is why they are where they are.
Have there ever been any "liberal" voices so popular? Why? I'll tell you why: Nobody wants to listen to that garbage! Americans are conservative. Period. We love liberty. We oppose tyranny.
And for your information, Fox and particularly Murdoch, have had nothing to do with the groundswell of grassroots opposition to the Obama agenda.
But ACORN and Obama's other minions, have had everything to do with the opposition to the Ameircan patriots who are speaking out, even going so far as to plant little kids, and fake G.P.'s into his so-called "townhall" meetings, and the meetings of Democrats, in a pathetic attempt to make it look as though most American support him.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Americans do not support his radicl agenda to "remake" America.
And just for the record: Fox isn't paying me!
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Conservative principles are Americas founding principles.
I always find the conservative claim of exclusivity to patriotism and the "founding principles" to be vague, uninformed and spurious at best. If you wouldn't mind would you care to enumerate those founding principles based upon the myriad opinions of the framers of the Constitution, please no quotes from Jefferson and would you mind spreading your sources out beyond just James Madison?
I always find the conservative claim of exclusivity to patriotism and the "founding principles" to be vague, uninformed and spurious at best. If you wouldn't mind would you care to enumerate those founding principles based upon the myriad opinions of the framers of the Constitution, please no quotes from Jefferson and would you mind spreading your sources out beyond just James Madison?
I, for one, always find it rather amusing that they always claim a group of revolutionist as "conservatives." Yeah, that's a real "conservative" thing to do isn't it? Start a revolution.
I, for one, always find it rather amusing that they always claim a group of revolutionist as "conservatives." Yeah, that's a real "conservative" thing to do isn't it? Start a revolution.
I hear people in Town Hall meeting saying that they want America back to the way it use to be.
What does that mean?
I don't know what others mean, so I'll speak for myself. I think our liberties in this Republic (as we are a republic, not a direct democracy) have been severly eroded for a long time. And that the trend keeps getting worse.
The US seems to be dominated by 2 factions fighting for power. There is the Liberal/Socialist elite. And then there is the Big Business/Big Religion elite. When one faction of the elite moves out of power, the other moves in. Personally, I'll say I think the Big Business elite is the lesser evil, but an elite nonetheless.
The 2 elites have most of the population pretty well divided. This serves their interests well. As long as we're fighting each other, we can't take back our government.
I don't think the founders of the Constitution envisioned or wanted a government that does so much. They designed the Constitution to keep the government from doing too much, forcing as freedom and responsibility down to the individual as much as possible. They viewed a large and efficient government as a tyrannical one.
I think the founders of the Constituion are turning over in their graves by what we have created / allowed to happen.
America and most of the Western countries today want their governments to provide economic security and material comfort, with less and less effort on the part of citizens. I do not think that the founders of the Constituion wanted this at all.
It's tragic how much ignorance of the law is prevalent in the U.S.A.
Please read Article 4, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution. We are not promised a democracy. A democracy is anathema to American law.
"DEMOCRACY - That form of government in which the sovereign power resides in and is exercised by the whole body of free citizens directly or indirectly through a system of representation, as distinguished from monarchy, aristocracy, or oligarchy."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 432
"GOVERNMENT (Republican Form)- One in which the powers of sovereignty are vested in the people and are exercised by the people, either directly, or through representatives chosen by the people, to whom those powers are specially delegated."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, P. 695
Though you may have not been taught it, in Socialist Studies, the American birthright is individual sovereignty, not subjugation to the State.
"Government is not Sovereignty. Government is the machinery or expedient for expressing the will of the sovereign power."
City of Bisbee v. Cochise County, 78 P. 2d 982, 986, 52 Ariz. 1
"People are supreme, not the state."
Waring v. the Mayor of Savannah, 60 GA at 93.
"The people of the state, as the successors of its former sovereign, are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his own prerogative."
Lansing v. Smith, (1829) 4 Wendell 9, (NY)
"At the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns of the country."
Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 Dall. 440, 463
American people are sovereign.
What about citizens?
CITIZEN - ... Citizens are members of a political community who, in their associative capacity, have established or submitted themselves to the dominion of government for the promotion of the general welfare and the protection of their individual as well as collective rights.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Ed. p.244
SUBJECT - One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws.
...Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, p. 1425
"... the term 'citizen,' in the United States, is analogous to the term "subject" in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government. ... he who before was a "subject of the King" is now a citizen of the State."
State v. Manuel, 20 N.C. 144 (1838)
Citizens are subjects.
IF everyone "born" in the U.S. are subject citizens, WHO are the sovereign people that are served by government?
Ask your public servant for an answer... but don't be surprised at their silence.
The democratic form = 3 wolves and 2 sheep voting on the dinner menu
The republican form = 3 muzzled wolves and 2 sheep, armed with UZIs, ordering pizza.
Just say "NO" to democracy!
Restore your individual sovereignty - and you can tell the government to kiss your royal American arse - and really mean it!
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Reference:
United States Constitution, Article 4, Section 4.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; ....
The first and only nation that recognizes that its people are sovereign is the United States of America. Do not let her fall.
Thank you for this post. You gave me something to think about.
It means that, as usual, they are just parroting the Hannitys and Limbaughs of the world. Most of them have no idea what they're saying. That's why they are such perfect targets for political manipulation by the right-wing (its politicians and industries). The Australian Porn King Rupert Murdoch, who owns FOX News (how's that for irony, all you right-wing Christians out there?) also owns right-wing politicians and is in economic league with insurance companies. Murdoch alone is responsible for the FOX engine that is fueling panic and fear among the less-educated right wing. Filled with the passion of jingoism--fueled by their corporate handlers (although they have no idea that they're being used as political pawns)--they feel empowered and "important." Hence: We have Katy Abram--the new "Joe the Plumber." Terrified of "losing" her "country." She's been so filled with fear by the lies she hears, she is constantly on the verge of crying--and has no idea, of course, that she's been had.
You say this all the time and it is just not true. You need to make up a better story. Some of us have learned enough history to realize our country is facing a major test. Can we remain free?
You see so many times that fears are calmed and the government keeps up damaging practices and then adds on a little bit more that cause democracy to erode and it has nothing to do with anybody on TV.
One of the threads on here has a man telling a story from the grave warning people about democrats. I have thought about what the gravestone said, and I think it is "right on." I used to be a democrat. I think my education taught me to be a democrat, but 40 years later, I have changed to a republican because I have seen the socialist things the democratic party does weakens our country. My change did not come from watching TV. Most of TV does not agree with me. My change came from personal experience. I still like President Carter, but I do not like the policies of his administration.
This president can be charming, but so can the devil. I would rather have a "good for America president" with a bad personality, than a charming president that is sending us more toward socialism and maybe even communism.
Ive been hearing people at Town Hall meetings talking about real Amercian's also.
Who is a real American?
I'm an observer to the Fear that is being produced by the Right Wing media.
Many Conservatives are comparing Obama to Hitler. Think about that!!
Hitler was a Racist Fascist.
Beck saying that this whole medical insurance push is about African American reparations.
Limbaugh saying that Obama and his colleagues hate White people.
Palin saying that he is going to kill our Grand mothers.
If I was White and I heard stuff like that I'll probably be at a Town Hall meeting yesterday.
The Lies is what this all about and the Repubs know it!
Last edited by Mr. Opinion; 08-17-2009 at 07:03 AM..
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